Posts by TheListener

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Another newbie.

by TimeBandit in

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just beginning to open my eyes...my aunt, flyinghighnow is helping me along.

glad to be in a place where people understand.

i guess i'll be seeing you all around.

Is the information on JWfacts.com accurate?

by Nobleheart in

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i'm researching and going through so much material to try and find out whether jw doctrines and beliefs are based on the bible, as well as if they're consistent.

i'm a jw currently and i have many doubts at the moment.

fortunately this site is helping me so much, as there's always someone who's posted the same question i had in mind.

Welcome Nobleheart. 607/587 was one of my first topics to research as well. For someone who wasn't really trained how to do biblical research it was a real chore and eye opener. I am so glad I went through it.

Sounds to me like you are doing the right stuff. Good for you.

If you have the WT CDRom check out this quote from the Isaiah Prophechy book I:

Chapter 19, Page 253, paragraph 21:

Isaiah goes on to prophesy: “It

must occur in that day that Tyre must be forgotten seventy years, the same as the days of one king.” (Isaiah23:15a) Following the destruction of the mainland city by the Babylonians, the island-city of Tyre will “be forgotten.” True to the prophecy, for the duration of “one king”—the Babylonian Empire—the island-city of Tyre will not be an important financial power. Jehovah, through Jeremiah, includes Tyre among the nations that will be singled out to drink the wine of His rage. He says: “These nations will have to serve the king of Babylon seventy years.” (Jeremiah 25:8-17, 22, 27) True, the island-city of Tyre is not subject to Babylon for a full 70 years, since the Babylonian Empire falls in 539 B.C.E. Evidently, the 70 years represents the period of Babylonia’s greatest domination—when the Babylonian royal dynasty boasts of having lifted its throne even above “the stars of God.” (Isaiah 14:13) Different nations come under that domination at different times. But at the end of 70 years, that domination will crumble. What will then happen to Tyre?.

I changed a portion of the text red. When I first read this it just jumped out at me. I have found this information/admission/theory in no other WT publication (if anyone has please post the location).

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a "bloody" question - components vs. fractions

by inbetween in

the official wt rule on blood is, whole blood and the four primary components are forbidden, fractions from those are conscience matter.. now its clear, that the medical world only uses the term fractions.. its also clear, that there is no direct bibilical reason for dividing blood into permitted components and forbidden fractions.. .

however, there is one argument of apologists, that has at least some value, if the premisse is true:.

the problem with components is, that when they are extracted, they still contain small amounts of all other components, so they still resemble whole blood, only the percentage is different.. an example to illustrate (simplified):.

TheListener

Yes, the "pouring out the blood" rule is one of the main reasons dubs can't accept autologous transfusions.

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Sisters no allowed in KH period!

by life is to short in

i just found out during the elders school sisters are not allowed in the kh for any reason.

i have a girlfriend that i became really close to when i was at bethel.

we really were as close as real sisters, in fact i am still closer to her then my own flesh and blood jw sister but with my leaving the jw's it has been hard, she does not have a clue about my true feelings of this cult, i have tried to throw points out to her and she will not get them, she will not let her mind go there.. .

TheListener

I've not heard that before. In my day the sisters came and served meals to the brothers while on lunch break or sometimes even donuts in the am and cookies in the pm. Guess I'm out of the loop.

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Things to say while being groped by TSA

by Yizuman in

things to say while being groped by tsa .

you know what daddy likes.

a little higher.

TheListener

How about: "I'd rather have someone feel my balls than someone else blow them off"

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The CO just called :S

by ele_lux in

aaaaggghhhh!!!

it's the co's visit this week at "my" hall.

i've been dreading this week and now the nightmare is starting to unfold :s the co just called wanting to know how i'm doing.

TheListener

You can be disfellowshipped without being present or ever meeting with the elders.

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The CO just called :S

by ele_lux in

aaaaggghhhh!!!

it's the co's visit this week at "my" hall.

i've been dreading this week and now the nightmare is starting to unfold :s the co just called wanting to know how i'm doing.

TheListener

Ele_lux that sounds really great. Congratulations on the good face to face with your father. A word of caution though. The letter your dad wrote was also from his heart so he is obviously of mixed feelings on this subject. It makes sense. He is fearing for your eternal life. When you actually continue on with your fade he may swing back n forth from 'i'll always love you' to 'you're no son of mine'. Emotionally prepare yourself so you can remain even keeled during the potential pendulum swings.

Good luck.

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Start preparing now for 2011 memorial night demonstration ! Sunday, April 17, 2011, after sundown

by koolaid-man in

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friends

now is a good time to start making preparations for the memorial night demonstration at your kingdom hall sunday, april 17, 2011, after sundown.

the evils of the watchtower org.have to be exposed and this is an ideal time to do it.

many around the world have been adversely affected by their association with jehovah's witnesses.

TheListener

Exwitnesses used to picket DCs I attended. I was always instructed not to look at them or their placards. I obeyed - I was certain Jehovah was proud of me for remaining clean.

How fooled I was.

You gotta have guts to picket. I don't have those kind of guts. I would much rather pay for an ad in the pennysaver or craigslist (free) that says something like:

"Had contact with Jehovah's Witnesses? Go to www.jwfacts.org" - once permission to link to that site for an ad was obtained.

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Jehovahs Witness Spouses

by Spade in

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i seriously doubt there's anyone with a spouse that's a jehovah's witness here.

but if so, how do you absorb all the hateful rhetoric disseminated here without spitting it back in your spouses face?.

TheListener

Because as an adult I am able to read, consider and form an opinion. I love my wife and don't feel the need to barrage her with negative information about her choices in life. She respects me the same (because although I am no longer a JW I am still far from perfect).

I feel your question was worded in such a way as to get a lot of attention rather than actual answers to the question itself.

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If you have kids who are being exposed to JW beliefs

by Libelle in

it's becoming clearer and clearer that i need to muster some sort of strategy for countering the mr's indoctrination of the kids.

now some of these kids are stepkids, so that makes it a bit hairier.

but for our youngest, i will need to think about how to teach her other things too.

TheListener

Garyneal,

Each of our situations is so unique it really is impossible to generalize; but I offer the following generalization for you...

In your wife's mind it will probably always be your fault. I think the congregation will blame you too, but even the most stable and fuddy duddy congregations eventually have turnover and slowly forget who you are. Unless you have a ton of family in the congregation - they never forget.

I think you and your kids can enjoy the holidays while your wife abstains and you can be a source of depression and anxiety for her and she can be a hero at the kingdom hall. If she's weak enough perhaps she's secretly glad (and feels guilty) that the kids are having a good time.

What a twisted organization. You are lucky she's weak. Hopefully she isn't pushing them to go in service, join the TMS, get baptized or have a study with a strong member of the congregation.