circuit overseers were supposed to be a thing of the past.
"presiding overseers" were supposed to take over.. there seem to be certain people "in the know" that reveal information and it may sound very convincing-- but is it??.
do you tend to believe what new posters say if they tell us about "new light" from the organization?.
I thought pioneer hours have been reduced. Several times.
I don't believe what every poster says but I have a ton of fun reading and posting my thoughts on speculation threads.
When concrete stuff, like the elders manual, get leaked and the information posted her I love it. I remember several years ago the bethel branch manual was leaked too. That stuff is priceless.
i was at a 2 day circuit assembly this weekend and i was surprised at how many times mention was made directly or indirectly reminding those in attendance (1,600) of the need to give $$$.
even in the soliloquies or skits they seemed to work in the need to give $$$.. it made me wonder if the society is having 'cash flow' problems and hence is desparate for cash.
over the years that i've attended conventions and assemblies the need to give $$$ has been subtle (imo), til now.
Weren't they going to buy a large plot of land near Warwick, NY? I thought they were going to build a facility even bigger than Patterson??
just to give you a little background about myself, i was a born-in, i'm in my late 20's now, i faded away a few years ago after researching the history of the wtbs on the internet.
my fade was aided by moving away with my job(i definately feel lucky about that).
eventually, i had discussions with a couple of my closer jw friends about why i no longer believed in the wtbs.
I remember myself and others saying that it was loving of God to have chosen a later date than we expected so that more could come into the truth.
Oh yes, how loving indeed...
i was looking through this site and noticed many that haven't responded to new posts in 6 to 9 years.
do these people go back to the org or do they just go live their lives?
newworldslacker is one i saw that is gone.
Some of us stay around because our immediate and extended family are all witnesses so even though we've personally moved on and are exploring other parts of our life we are faced with JW issues almost daily.
but our situation is very difficult and quite high profile.... i was raised as a jw and my mother was very strict and abusive.
i got baptized at age 14.. my mother actually called on my (present) husband's mom in service.
she was on the initial call resulting in his mom coming in the truth and him being raised in it from about age 8 or 9.. despite a very abusive step-father, he followed his mom's lead and came into the truth.
Wow! This site and this thread contain some of the truest displays of love as I've ever seen. We're not perfect but by God when we put our mind to it we can be helpful, loving and kind.
To Headisspinning and anyone else who needs it - we hear you, we understand and we are ready to listen.
besides the usual drivel there were a couple interesting things.
1. an entire 1 hour discourse on helping our children become little innocent martyrs for the wt via.
their flawed and unreasonable blood doctrine.
If I recall most of the newer GB2.0 members come from the ranks of COs and DOs. That would be the Service Department. That Department was run by Jaracz. I'm sure he stacked the deck with like minded individuals.
the reported death of governing body member bro.
barr marks the end of an era.
many of the original members of the governing body were around during the days of president rutherford.
Yes, they can keep the machine running. That will be their private mantra. 'Keep it running until the great tribulation' will be their watchword.
However, as happens with all such 'keep it running' types of situations issues will come up that demand thought and possibly reaction. Issues for which they're not prepared.
We may see the GB2.0 start appoint a couple older guys to their ranks. Guys who coulda/shoulda been on GB1.0 but didn't make the cut for whatever reason. These guys may already be out to pasture but they'll get pulled back in. GB2.0 might need their historical input on things. If they don't appoint, or appoint younger ones to the GB then they feel confident and don't realize the situation they're in - imho.
wts gb 2.0 is fully in place now with the death of barr.
out of the current gb members, who would be considered members of gb 3.0, or has that group started yet?
the jw's might as well face it......their armaggedon is not coming and their gb could go on and on.. .
I guess I consider the original GB guys from the 70s and 80s as GB1.0
All those directly appointed by GB1.0 would be GB2.0- from G. Losch to current
Any new members apointed by GB2.0 would qualify as GB3.0
the reported death of governing body member bro.
barr marks the end of an era.
many of the original members of the governing body were around during the days of president rutherford.
Me too. And then I got to know Losch. Hardcore and not open to change in doctrine. The rest of the GB2.0 seem to be lining up the same way.
I'm of two minds on the matter. One, I would like my family that is still in to have an easier time and less stress so I want the GB to loosen their grip and allow the witnesses to become more mainstream. However, I also feel like I want the GB to continue tightening their grip and making the lives of their members even more controlled than ever before and coming up with even more crazy doctrines.
One will keep my family as witnesses but their lives will improve (and probably our relationships) and the other would hopefully free a lot of people including my family which would also improve our relationship and their lives.
but our situation is very difficult and quite high profile.... i was raised as a jw and my mother was very strict and abusive.
i got baptized at age 14.. my mother actually called on my (present) husband's mom in service.
she was on the initial call resulting in his mom coming in the truth and him being raised in it from about age 8 or 9.. despite a very abusive step-father, he followed his mom's lead and came into the truth.
A lot has been said and probably will be said still.
All I can add is that anyone who allows an organization made up of imperfect individuals to dictate who they can and cannot associate (even saying hello) with does not understand how under the influence their thinking is.
Your loved ones love you but they withhold that love because imperfect individuals tell them to. Imagine, that with the stroke of a pen those same imperfect men could undo all the pain and damage done to millions because of this doctrinal belief.
You owe it yourself, your husband and the children to investigate the Bible's viewpoint on disfellowshipping. Pray, read, study and meditate on this doctrine learning as much as you can from all sides to determine its validity. Like a judge in a court case look at all sides of the issue before deciding whether you feel this is an appropriate understanding of the Bible.
Remember, there is freedom with Christ. He said he would lighten our load not increase it to an unbearable amount. He died for us while we were sinners, he didn't wait for individuals to be as good as possible first.
I will pray for you and your family.
