Posts by TheListener

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How to spot faders or "closeted" apostates in a congregation / meeting?

by nevaagain in

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friends

so i am awoken for several years now (never really bought the cool aid) but for family reasons i am still enduring everything.

but my wife knows ... .

anyway so yesterday we had this boring meeting and as i was sitting there trying to make time pass faster i looked around me and i thought who else feels the same as me and is completely bored?

TheListener

While I faded I appeared totally committed to dubdom. It wasn't until I started missing more and more meetings that anyone caught on. By then it was too late as I had slowly and quietly withdrew my friendship from most in the hall.

At least one other couple has faded from my old hall, which surprised me at first but then I thought about a few of our conversations and realized they'd be a bit too liberal in their thinking about things. At the time I figured they were just a bit less judgmental than others.

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Memorial campaign with videos??

by BeautifulMind in

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friends

good morning from the east coast.

i have a question.

a friend of mine texted me and one of the things she said was that they were getting a lot of great responses with the campaign because they are showing the video.

TheListener

Since memorial on a Wednesday I suspect lower attendance.

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Could we ever see a GB member disassociate?

by pleaseresearch in

we saw it with raymond franz.

but do you think we could ever see one of the current gb members or future ones, make the same choice?.

to leave, and expose it..

TheListener

It might not be a crisis of conscience but political maneuvering and maybe even a majority of the body choosing another member as a scapegoat. Once one or two GB members are scapegoated the remaining members could make a few changes that may quiet the dubs like blood, birthdays and 144k being figurative. They might see this as a way to reinvigorate the dubs into more donations and activity.

Just thinking outside the box.

32

Every Know Anyone Too "Weak" To Wake Up?

by freemindfade in

a jw that is probably irregular, they don't really attend meetings, they are not up on anything going on, they may even seem like they are faded but they are not, they are just slackers.

a jw that is impervious to the f.o.g.

(ok maybe it bums them, but they are too lazy and self serving to do otherwise).

TheListener

I've thought about this before.

My wife does does a lot of non-witness stuff which I won't detail here but if the elders found out she'd be in for counseling for sure (pretty much she draws the line at whether someone from the hall will see her; so at home she's 75% worldly). Her conscience must be pretty smoothed over by now. She has spotty meeting and field service attendance as well.

But, she loves Jehovah and thinks the witnesses are 10000000% right on everything.

She's in just enough to never leave because it isn't uncomfortable, she just coasts along knowing she'll see her dead relatives and get to pet panda bears any day.

43

Elders & Ex Elders

by brandnew in

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friends

i have a question.....if two jw have sex and only one of them goes to the eldurrs and confesses.....do they both get busted?

or does the boe need a confession from both people.?

if one of em denies it happened will that person still get df'd?.

TheListener

Must be two witnesses. But, the elders would be watching the person like a hawk.

I know of one experience where this happened. No judicial action was taken on either person. If I remember right the teen that confessed was judged as repentant and the non confessing teen couldn't be touched due to the two witness rule. The elders investigated to see if other teens knew they were alone together or if they had seen other instances of "brazen conduct" but no knew or would rat. They watched the teen for years just waiting for something to happen.

What a messed up religion.

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Memorial campaign with videos??

by BeautifulMind in

jw
friends

good morning from the east coast.

i have a question.

a friend of mine texted me and one of the things she said was that they were getting a lot of great responses with the campaign because they are showing the video.

TheListener

When I went D2D I could barely get the hello out of my mouth before the door shut or the householder was busy. I don't think I could ever get a householder to actually watch a video. It must feel so culty to most householders.

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Damn it feels good to be free and on my own without the pressure to do more as a JW slave

by No Longer a JW Brother in

i don't know where to begin but damn it feels so good to be free of mind control.

i'm only officially out since this past december but i was out mentally for two hot years under the close watch of my batshit crazy psycho parents who bothered me every sunday to see what i thought about the meeting.

it was necessary for me to lie through my teeth.

TheListener

Welcome No Longer a JW Brother! I like your style. The prepaid cell phone idea was brilliant. Enjoy your freedom.

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Left Bethel to get married and have children, found the TTATT instead

by jehobi in

long story, short story.

grew up on a farm, went to bethel, married a sister and left bethel.

found ttatt after my cousin died refusing a blood transfusion.

TheListener

Welcome Jehobi! Sorry to hear about your divided family but as you know it's an issue a lot of us face. I look forward to reading your posts.

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Are Jehovah's Witnesses Saved by Grace...Undeserved Kindness?

by zophar in

there was a time that one could, if they dug deep enough, come up with the answer that jw’s teach that one is “saved” by grace or the nwt preferred “undeserved kindness.” for instance, in the reasoning book p. 360 under the heading “salvation” there is a sub-heading under the section, “if someone says”: ‘are you saved?’ here is what it says you could say if someone asks, “are you saved?’ you might reply: ‘so far, i am.’…….

the conclusion being, you are saved right now.

and yes, you need to remain faithful, but you are right now in a saved state.

TheListener

They love to say they are saved by undeserved kindness but then as quickly as they can they flip to James and say but... we need to do these works.

Basically all the parts of the memorial talk that aren't about not partaking are about undeserved kindness being earned.

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Saturday Let the Games Begin

by Poztate in

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friends

the start of a new memorial season is upon us.

saturday is the day for the start of the invites to look but not touch the bread and wine.

the "observer class" is a belief unique to jehovah's witnesses.. along with the invite to the masses a special effort is being made this year by the elders to invite all the df's, da's and faders.. along with the invite a copy of the rtj will be left with them.. naturally we will still be treated as pariah's if we do attend but it is the thought that counts.. i am of the "fader class" as i don't wish to rock the boat with my wife and extended family.

TheListener

I have never gotten called on before the memorial. I wonder if they'll come by or not. I go to the memorial every year out of respect for my wife, the kids even go. We quietly laugh at a lot of the weirdos that show up (i know it's not kind but it is a real stress reliever) my wife does some holiday stuff for me and I do memorial for her.

I haven't gotten the RTJ tract and don't want it. I would probably take it and give it to my wife. That would be the path of least resistance. This would be one of the times where I just need to shut my mouth and not cause problems. Especially if I want to get laid after the memorial.