Every Know Anyone Too "Weak" To Wake Up?

by freemindfade 32 Replies latest watchtower bible

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  freemindfade

  What do I mean?

  A JW that is probably irregular, they don't really attend meetings, they are not up on anything going on, they may even seem like they are faded but they are not, they are just slackers. A JW that is impervious to the F.O.G. (ok maybe it bums them, but they are too lazy and self serving to do otherwise).

  But they will fight and defend the organization (cult) to the end! Its almost as if they are not deep enough in it to see it for what it is if they ever had the chance. Its an interesting anomaly I was think about the other day, because I have a section of my family that is this way. They would practically get into a fist fight if they sense you are an apostate, meanwhile I would hardly consider them witnesses!

  Terrible meeting attenders, viewed as weak fringe witnesses, sometime they do things that other would consider questionable within the ranks, ie drink too much. But it seems they are just in the cult enough to hang on to it but not see it when its failing. You could say something about something like 607BCE and they wouldn't even know that was part of the religion to start with, and not feel the need to defend OR research it.

  Seems like they are in the worst possible spot for coming to their senses because they being willfully ignorant on all fronts. Anyone else experience this individual(s)?
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  Lostwun

  Sadly this describes my husband to the T.

  Honestly I dont feel he's waking up to ttatt. Slowly he's just slacking off the WT train dramatically.
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  OneEyedJoe

  I agree. That's sorta how my wife is. They don't really know doctrine, and so have no attachment to it so if someone shows them the doctrine then proves that it's wrong they're right where they started and they feel no emotional distress over it. I think if my wife had seen the cult from a male's perspective (i.e. more push to do more, reach out, etc.) I might be able to get somewhere with her, but she's always just floated along. She doesn't give talks, she's barely regular in recruiting. She goes to most of the meetings, but I suspect only because it's her only social outlet. She doesn't know any of the "deep things" of the cult, she just knows the rules and regulations (i.e. no smoking, no beards, no friends of the opposite sex, no voting, etc) enough that she wants to stop me from living/exploring a normal life.
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  freemindfade

  JW religion = family, friends, safety net, & "just in case its right" insurance.

  I would recommend speaking with your spouses more secular way, not in ways that directly relate to JW doctrine, but just day to day stuff. Watching tv, philosophies on life, the world. See if they can start entertaining ideas that will open their mind.
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  OneEyedJoe

  I would recommend speaking with your spouses more secular way, not in ways that directly relate to JW doctrine, but just day to day stuff. Watching tv, philosophies on life, the world. See if they can start entertaining ideas that will open their mind.
  

  Either my flair for subtlety is severely lacking or my wife is exceptionally sensitive (probably both) because this doesn't work either. Sometimes I'll be innocently trying to talk to her about something I find interesting and it just so happens to go counter to JW doctrine (sometimes not even then, but it touches on a topic that she thinks might go against JW doctrine) and she'll flat out leave the room and not talk to me for a couple hours. But that's getting a bit far off topic, I think...
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  James Mixon

  Working as a bartender I met a few young JW's who were working their way back. One young

  man defending the borg, I know it's the truth.He ask why did I walk a way, an elder.

  I told him I found the real truth and I will never go back. It's sad, these are the ones

  that are so miserable because they do not know and understand their own teaching.
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  Ucantnome

  yes but they mean well
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  freemindfade

  yes but they mean well

  We all did, and that has its limitation too. Shunning your fellowman out of fear fabricated by a man made publishing company has nothing to do with good intentions. It has to do with fear. There are great individuals in the organization just like there are outside of it. But their good stops at the point they abandon true "good" out of fear of punishment or loss of promised reward.

  loyalty = paradise for the individual. That good intention is selfish and exploited by the likes of ISIS

  Either my flair for subtlety is severely lacking or my wife is exceptionally sensitive (probably both) because this doesn't work either. Sometimes I'll be innocently trying to talk to her about something I find interesting and it just so happens to go counter to JW doctrine (sometimes not even then, but it touches on a topic that she thinks might go against JW doctrine) and she'll flat out leave the room and not talk to me for a couple hours. But that's getting a bit far off topic, I think...

  Well don't give up, I used to the go through the same thing, my wife has done a 180 degree flip. Just keep being the peaceful one and showing yourself to be better out of this cult than you were in it.
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  Ucantnome

  Shunning your fellowman out of fear fabricated by a man made publishing company has nothing to do with good intentions. It has to do with fear.

  maybe they truly believe but are weak not the same as hypocrites
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  OutsiderLookingIn

  OMG, yes! This is pretty much exactly the situation with my (former) JW romantic interest. He only attends the Memorial from what I can tell. We have religious discussions and he's rusty on the teachings besides the basics (paradise earth and holidays are bad). Sometimes it's as if he's guessing at the right answer probably because it's changed lol and gets a quick refresher by going to the website. It's sad. He was born in and I'm sure his main attachment is family, identity and emotional (nostalgia about the brotherhood).

  I don't think it's impossible but it's an uphill and slow battle for sure. I think he appreciates my knowledge and respect for the Bible and likes the chance to have discussions that allow difference of opinion. I stepped away physically because of what I've read about inactive people sometimes relapsing and the possibility frightens me. I came to realize that if he's half out, he's all in. And I can't live like that. So from a distance (text), I keep the conversation going. Not only about JW nonsense but also about life, that more often than not, it's what you make of it.