Posts by TheListener

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Had a operation today and was asked about blood transfusions.

by atomant in

operation was successful only minor but some interesting information was revealed to me from the surgeon.l requested that they treat me as if l was a jehovahs witness with regards to blood transfusions.the doctor said well that varies from jw to jw and l asked what do you mean?his response was that in his dealings with jw's was that approx half of witnesses will accept a blood transfusion in life threatening circumstances and sign a form saying so.l was blown away when he told me this.l was curious if others in here have heard similar storys.lt seems to me that many witnesses have weakened their stance on this controversial subject.

TheListener

Yeah I guess you're right OC. I just fell back on my old thinking which was the doctors would be more careful if they couldn't use blood. But, you're right it is unfair to assume that just because a doctor can use blood that they would play fast and loose with your life.

However, I would be willing to also agree that in specific circumstances with specific doctors that this could be true.

I did decide in my case to never mention the JW thing since I don't want my doctor worrying about anything other than my health and not what he/she can or cannot do.

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Jury Awards $100K To Family Of Jehovah's Witness Who Died After Refusing Blood Transfusion

by Bangalore in

jury awards $100k to family of jehovah's witness who died after refusing blood transfusion.. http://www.dailyreportonline.com/id=1202750028414/jury-awards-100k-to-family-of-jehovahs-witness-who-died-after-refusing-blood-transfusion?mcode=0&curindex=0&curpage=all.

bangalore.

TheListener

I guess I don't get it. The person wanted bloodless surgery, got bloodless surgery and died. Why is anyone owing the family money?

And since when do JWs control bloodless surgery units right in the hospitals themselves?

I thought witnesses were unlettered and ordinary. At least that's what I was told when I wanted to go to college.

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Had a operation today and was asked about blood transfusions.

by atomant in

operation was successful only minor but some interesting information was revealed to me from the surgeon.l requested that they treat me as if l was a jehovahs witness with regards to blood transfusions.the doctor said well that varies from jw to jw and l asked what do you mean?his response was that in his dealings with jw's was that approx half of witnesses will accept a blood transfusion in life threatening circumstances and sign a form saying so.l was blown away when he told me this.l was curious if others in here have heard similar storys.lt seems to me that many witnesses have weakened their stance on this controversial subject.

TheListener

As far as I know it's only a conscience matter in that you can take it and they probably won't disfellowship you - but by taking the blood you disassociate yourself which saves them the time and trouble of having a judicial committee. It's all semantics with the Dubisees (dub + Pharisees).

Atomant, would you really have let yourself die to avoid a blood transfusion or did you just want the doctor to be extra careful during the surgery?

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JWs at Rolling Stones Concert!

by Atlantis in

was this done for an advertising stunt?

received this in an email.. ------------------------------------------------.

.. a few days ago in porto alegre there was a rolling stones concert.

TheListener

Nothing screams mass indoctrination and cult like a wall of literature carts at a Rolling Stones concert.

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How did you feel when they eliminated the Con. Book Study?

by Freeandclear in

jw
friends

years ago when i was "in" i loved the book study.

it was my favorite meeting by far.

mainly because it was a small group.

TheListener

Wow the bookstudy has been gone awhile now. Imagine how many witnesses probably don't even remember the bookstudy! We probably have posters here who joined the dubs and left and never even attended a bookstudy.

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Just threw away...

by stephanie61092 in

so even though i don't drive much because public transit is so good where i live (and parking is a living nightmare), i always had a paper taped onto my glove box that said "no blood transfusions - jehovahs witness.

see legal documentation in wallet.

going through this "wake up" process as been a very crazy, emotional experience.

TheListener

I remember how nervous I was to tear mine up. Like somehow I'd get in an accident and be left without God's approval. I also tore up my kids minor identity cards. Once I was over the fear and guilt I felt great and still do!!!!

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Only a few days ago I was entirely lost and without hope the rug was pulled out from under me

by elderess in

jw
friends

only a few days ago i was walking around the house in a mindless wander thinking if i needed to seek professional help.

then i got the courage to seek the comfort of complete strangers on the internet and found a world of support here on this website.

thank you simon and whoever else has made this website possible.

TheListener

Welcome LetMorrisSplaneit!!!!! Glad you posted. Start a new thread and let us know your story, if you want to share that is.

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The Accounts Report or lack of one

by OnTheWayOut in

i am pretty sure it's still the same since i stopped attending almost 10 years ago, but this is something to think about:.

at the kingdom hall, there's an accounts report.

they say they gathered in an exact amount of money for both local expenses and worldwide work and that it exactly went to these exact expenses and this amount was sent to watchtower.

TheListener

I worked in the accounting department at the district conventions for years (now regional assemblies). We would be in the back rooms and the contribution boxes would come into a room, be emptied in front of several brothers and the sisters with the boxes and put into money bags and brought into the counting room where we had sisters at long tables with different jobs. Some sisters would unfold and straighten the bills (this all includes change too), the next sisters would organize them by denomination (basically counting) and the final sisters would do the final count (final count for sisters that is). Then a couple brothers would recount and they would mark down the amounts by the number of bills (like 10-$100 bills; 45-$20 bills; 20-$10 bills, etc). At the end we would have the money wrapped with the paper wrappers which had the amount printed on it from the bank (I think anyone can get those wrappers; for instance I think each packet of $20s was $400). Checks were handled by a small group of sisters separately from the cash and marked down as well. From there a report was made to the convention overseer and his cronies and they kept a running total of expenses versus contributions. Don't even ask me how much we would take in over a 3 or 4 day convention because I've tried to remember and I just can't.

That's how I remember it being done but that was years ago. Is it the same or similar now?

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Only a few days ago I was entirely lost and without hope the rug was pulled out from under me

by elderess in

jw
friends

only a few days ago i was walking around the house in a mindless wander thinking if i needed to seek professional help.

then i got the courage to seek the comfort of complete strangers on the internet and found a world of support here on this website.

thank you simon and whoever else has made this website possible.

TheListener

AWESOME!!! I am so happy for you!!!! As I sit here typing this after just reading your OP I am just dumbstruck at how great a turn of events this is. I wish you guy the very very best. I know many others will feel the same way but I just have to say that you've given me a lot of hope that one day my wife will wake up as well.

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Elders & Ex Elders

by brandnew in

jw
friends

i have a question.....if two jw have sex and only one of them goes to the eldurrs and confesses.....do they both get busted?

or does the boe need a confession from both people.?

if one of em denies it happened will that person still get df'd?.

TheListener

Shirley, I guess it isn't so much as falling for it as they just follow the rules. About the only leeway the elders would have is how long to leave him disfellowshipped.

It's amazing what people will do when they are under constant scrutiny. One one hand they'll claim it's the truth and everyone should just listen to them and on the other hand they try to get away with anything they can just to make life bearable.