TheListener

Joined

• started 210 topics
• posted 3,838 times   see topics posted on
• send a message

Posts by TheListener

• 
  56

  Hello, fairly new, studying for around 7 months, just thought I would introduce myself.

  by Conanthebeliever in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  hello everyone, i hope you are all ok. .

  my name is conan, i am 25, and from the uk.

  i have some brain damage, so i apologise in advance if my syntax is off or i go a long way around explaining things.

  1. 
  2. 
  3. 
• 

  TheListener

  Conan, you've gotten a lot of good advice from the forum. It's always nice to be able to share with others. I hope things work out well for you. I was also thinking that if you want to learn about Jesus you may be able to locate a nice non-denominational church near where you live. They often have weekly bible study lessons which aren't nearly as pushy or take-it-or-leave-it as the witnesses are. Plus you can come and go and use any available outside study materials you want - usually. Anyway, I wish you the best on your journey.
• 
  20

  Had a operation today and was asked about blood transfusions.

  by atomant in

  1. watchtower
  2. medical

  operation was successful only minor but some interesting information was revealed to me from the surgeon.l requested that they treat me as if l was a jehovahs witness with regards to blood transfusions.the doctor said well that varies from jw to jw and l asked what do you mean?his response was that in his dealings with jw's was that approx half of witnesses will accept a blood transfusion in life threatening circumstances and sign a form saying so.l was blown away when he told me this.l was curious if others in here have heard similar storys.lt seems to me that many witnesses have weakened their stance on this controversial subject.

  1. 
  2. 
  3. 
• 

  TheListener

  Island Man you only pasted part of my post. I wasn't going to say anything but it made me look even dumber than I am so here is the rest of the post:

  ...but by taking the blood you disassociate yourself which saves them the time and trouble of having a judicial committee. It's all semantics with the Dubisees (dub + Pharisees).
• 
  20

  Had a operation today and was asked about blood transfusions.

  by atomant in

  1. watchtower
  2. medical

  operation was successful only minor but some interesting information was revealed to me from the surgeon.l requested that they treat me as if l was a jehovahs witness with regards to blood transfusions.the doctor said well that varies from jw to jw and l asked what do you mean?his response was that in his dealings with jw's was that approx half of witnesses will accept a blood transfusion in life threatening circumstances and sign a form saying so.l was blown away when he told me this.l was curious if others in here have heard similar storys.lt seems to me that many witnesses have weakened their stance on this controversial subject.

  1. 
  2. 
  3. 
• 

  TheListener

  Yeah I guess you're right OC. I just fell back on my old thinking which was the doctors would be more careful if they couldn't use blood. But, you're right it is unfair to assume that just because a doctor can use blood that they would play fast and loose with your life.

  However, I would be willing to also agree that in specific circumstances with specific doctors that this could be true.

  I did decide in my case to never mention the JW thing since I don't want my doctor worrying about anything other than my health and not what he/she can or cannot do.
• 
  12

  Jury Awards $100K To Family Of Jehovah's Witness Who Died After Refusing Blood Transfusion

  by Bangalore in

  1. watchtower
  2. medical

  jury awards $100k to family of jehovah's witness who died after refusing blood transfusion.. http://www.dailyreportonline.com/id=1202750028414/jury-awards-100k-to-family-of-jehovahs-witness-who-died-after-refusing-blood-transfusion?mcode=0&curindex=0&curpage=all.

  bangalore.

  1. 
  2. 
  3. 
• 

  TheListener

  I guess I don't get it. The person wanted bloodless surgery, got bloodless surgery and died. Why is anyone owing the family money?

  And since when do JWs control bloodless surgery units right in the hospitals themselves?

  I thought witnesses were unlettered and ordinary. At least that's what I was told when I wanted to go to college.
• 
  20

  Had a operation today and was asked about blood transfusions.

  by atomant in

  1. watchtower
  2. medical

  operation was successful only minor but some interesting information was revealed to me from the surgeon.l requested that they treat me as if l was a jehovahs witness with regards to blood transfusions.the doctor said well that varies from jw to jw and l asked what do you mean?his response was that in his dealings with jw's was that approx half of witnesses will accept a blood transfusion in life threatening circumstances and sign a form saying so.l was blown away when he told me this.l was curious if others in here have heard similar storys.lt seems to me that many witnesses have weakened their stance on this controversial subject.

  1. 
  2. 
  3. 
• 

  TheListener

  As far as I know it's only a conscience matter in that you can take it and they probably won't disfellowship you - but by taking the blood you disassociate yourself which saves them the time and trouble of having a judicial committee. It's all semantics with the Dubisees (dub + Pharisees).

  Atomant, would you really have let yourself die to avoid a blood transfusion or did you just want the doctor to be extra careful during the surgery?
• 
  30

  JWs at Rolling Stones Concert!

  by Atlantis in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  was this done for an advertising stunt?

  received this in an email.. ------------------------------------------------.

  .. a few days ago in porto alegre there was a rolling stones concert.

  1. 
  2. 
  3. 
• 

  TheListener

  Nothing screams mass indoctrination and cult like a wall of literature carts at a Rolling Stones concert.
• 
  53

  How did you feel when they eliminated the Con. Book Study?

  by Freeandclear in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  years ago when i was "in" i loved the book study.

  it was my favorite meeting by far.

  mainly because it was a small group.

  1. 
  2. 
  3. 
• 

  TheListener

  Wow the bookstudy has been gone awhile now. Imagine how many witnesses probably don't even remember the bookstudy! We probably have posters here who joined the dubs and left and never even attended a bookstudy.
• 
  20

  Just threw away...

  by stephanie61092 in

  1. watchtower
  2. medical

  so even though i don't drive much because public transit is so good where i live (and parking is a living nightmare), i always had a paper taped onto my glove box that said "no blood transfusions - jehovahs witness.

  see legal documentation in wallet.

  going through this "wake up" process as been a very crazy, emotional experience.

  1. 
  2. 
  3. 
• 

  TheListener

  I remember how nervous I was to tear mine up. Like somehow I'd get in an accident and be left without God's approval. I also tore up my kids minor identity cards. Once I was over the fear and guilt I felt great and still do!!!!
• 
  92

  Only a few days ago I was entirely lost and without hope the rug was pulled out from under me

  by elderess in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  only a few days ago i was walking around the house in a mindless wander thinking if i needed to seek professional help.

  then i got the courage to seek the comfort of complete strangers on the internet and found a world of support here on this website.

  thank you simon and whoever else has made this website possible.

  1. 
  2. 
  3. 
• 

  TheListener

  Welcome LetMorrisSplaneit!!!!! Glad you posted. Start a new thread and let us know your story, if you want to share that is.
• 
  10

  The Accounts Report or lack of one

  by OnTheWayOut in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i am pretty sure it's still the same since i stopped attending almost 10 years ago, but this is something to think about:.

  at the kingdom hall, there's an accounts report.

  they say they gathered in an exact amount of money for both local expenses and worldwide work and that it exactly went to these exact expenses and this amount was sent to watchtower.

  1. 
  2. 
  3. 
• 

  TheListener

  I worked in the accounting department at the district conventions for years (now regional assemblies). We would be in the back rooms and the contribution boxes would come into a room, be emptied in front of several brothers and the sisters with the boxes and put into money bags and brought into the counting room where we had sisters at long tables with different jobs. Some sisters would unfold and straighten the bills (this all includes change too), the next sisters would organize them by denomination (basically counting) and the final sisters would do the final count (final count for sisters that is). Then a couple brothers would recount and they would mark down the amounts by the number of bills (like 10-$100 bills; 45-$20 bills; 20-$10 bills, etc). At the end we would have the money wrapped with the paper wrappers which had the amount printed on it from the bank (I think anyone can get those wrappers; for instance I think each packet of $20s was $400). Checks were handled by a small group of sisters separately from the cash and marked down as well. From there a report was made to the convention overseer and his cronies and they kept a running total of expenses versus contributions. Don't even ask me how much we would take in over a 3 or 4 day convention because I've tried to remember and I just can't.

  That's how I remember it being done but that was years ago. Is it the same or similar now?