Posts by TheListener

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So tired...I feel like less than a sparrow (me)

by JamieL in

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this is a nice big open board, thought i'd throw myself out there.. recently i had been a part of the "e-jehovah's witness" board.

especially as i don't think i even care that much anymore.

well, 3 weeks after that she cheated again, with a different guy.

TheListener

Welcome Jamie.

You need to take care of yourself. Perhaps a professional counselor can help you get through this time in your life.

If you really want to go back to meetings and be a member of the congregation in good standing you should build your physical and mental health up. You need to be strong in both areas in order to make it. It's tough going to the kingdom hall while disfellowshipped.

-As a side point; there isn't actually any proof that the man in 1 Cor. is the same person mentioned in 2 Cor. It is a correlation the WTS makes and probably some other religions too. But, if you research it a bit it is also possible that Paul was talking about himself. He seemed to have a love/hate relationship with the Corinthians.

Welcome to the board and good luck on your journey.

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Hi newbie saying hello

by nikitaeve in

hi there, i'm nikitaeve and id just like to say hi to everyone here.

i used to be a witness and was one for about nine years but i still regard everyone with the warmest of feelings and i still believe the teachings.

a little bit about myself; im from england.

TheListener

Welcome Nikita.

What kind of book are you writing?

I hope that you stick around and share your ideas and opinions with us.

Welcome to the forum.

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Society's claim of Matt. 24:14 being fulfilled - What it could really mean

by Jourles in

i've had this thought for quite a while and wonder if fits with the recent talk about the wts claiming that matt.

24:14 has been fulfilled.

my thought was this --- in the wake of the recent cutbacks at bethel, scaling back of literature, and other cost cutting measures, could the wts be preparing the r&f for the complete or massive reduction of literature that would normally be placed with "householders?

TheListener

- Field service will continue. It's effective busy work.

- Reporting of hours by publishers will continue. It's become THE measuring rod for an individual's spirituality level. They may not publish the reports any longer, but the friends will keep turning in those slips.

- Turning in time promotes urgency and makes the field ministry appear more important.

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Watchtower never took preaching work seriously!!

by proplog2 in

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there has been a lot of discussion about the claim that the gb feel they have fullfilled their obligation to preach.. this would be no surprise.

jesus said if you want to really do what is right you need to sell your property and give to the poor.

and then... you could follow jesus.. after pentecost there was an arrangement where an individual could sell his property and give the proceeds to the apostles.

TheListener

If they took the preaching seriously they'd:

-Send everyone to a pioneer school at least once in their dub career

-wouldn't make the new publications secret until the DC, but get them to the friends as quickly as possible

-wouldn't make a special "pioneer book" just for pioneers but share that information with everyone (yes, I have the book and know it doesn't contain anything new or interesting but everyone could use it)

-they wouldn't have special pioneer meetings but incorpate that into a special talk or meeting during the CO visit.

Just some thoughts.

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MAT 24:14 HAS BEEN FULLFILLED MP3 FROM BETHEL HEAVY

by What-A-Coincidence in

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warning: the wtbts is becoming more cultish as evidenced in this mp3.

listener take heed.

turn on all your cult warning alarms on.. .

TheListener

Received my email copy today.

I am really interested in how my dub wife reacts. Normally we don't discuss these types of emails.

But, this one has come from a source that gets really excited abou the latest news about the end coming. My wife may ask me to listen to it. I hope so. If she does I'll bring up some points I've read here.

BTW, listening to it turned my stomach.

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Society's claim of Matt. 24:14 being fulfilled - What it could really mean

by Jourles in

i've had this thought for quite a while and wonder if fits with the recent talk about the wts claiming that matt.

24:14 has been fulfilled.

my thought was this --- in the wake of the recent cutbacks at bethel, scaling back of literature, and other cost cutting measures, could the wts be preparing the r&f for the complete or massive reduction of literature that would normally be placed with "householders?

TheListener

IMHO they will never ever stop the preaching work. They may cheapen the products peddled but they won't cease.

They need to keep the rank and file busy busy busy. Otherwise they'll begin to drift from center.

Less literature, lower quality literature (like tracts) and high pressure to place it all with interested ones before the end comes.

Not a bad analysis Jourles.

I mean come on, they have paper covered bibles now.

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CNN news on the North American Union proposal

by skyking in

i have been trying to educate the people on this board about this and have been called a nut here is what cnn has to say please watch the three minute video.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xdxi0zclv_y.

TheListener

What would the name of the newly formed country be?

My vote is for Cameo!

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Yet another brochure campaign !

by 5go in

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i hear tell that there will be yet another brochure campaign.

it will be in an upcoming km !

that is all i know.. i bet i just fell into some sorta trap but what the hell..

TheListener

The WTS can be so predictable at times. If a tract campaign creates some buzz and invigorate some of the dubs then they reason, 'why not have a tract campaign every couple month?'

What they forget is that every new and exciting thing wears out sooner or later. Only this new and exciting thing will wear out the publishers too.

Soon they will be asking "what if we had a tract campaign, and nobody came?"

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The serious conversation with the wife about the cult

by OnTheWayOut in

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if you needed my background, this thread will tell it-.

http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/6/121888/1.ashx.

my wife recently asked me about not commenting at a wt study.. our discussion was the topic of this thread-.

TheListener

Those are hard conversations to have. The anxiety, the pressure, the struggle not to alienate your mate but at the same time tell them where you stand and why you stand there. How much to say? How much emotion to show? All tough tough tough.

It sounds like you did just the right thing. You must know your wife well - good for you. Your relationship and communication will get you through this.

Good luck.

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Need help fading!

by 5thGeneration in

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real help!

please no criticism and such that people seem to spew!.

i have not been to a bookstudy in a year or been door to door either.. been using travel and health of my wife and family (actually very true) but they're relentless!!!.

TheListener

There are certain circumstances that make fading virutally impossible. If you live near a zealot relative, especially an elder father. If your spouse is a zealot and they seem unwilling to accept your fading status. You were very prominent in your local area.

If any of those things are true for you then you will have a tough road for fading. Remember, you were one of the faithful too. You would be worried sick about a lost sheep and would have done whatever you could to save someone from falling away.

My only advice is to lay low. As soon as you show any interest they'll try to get you to study; to build up your faith once again. Keep your head down and let time pass. In time the elders, friends and maybe even family will have new crises in the kingdom hall to deal with and you will become yesterdays news.

Good luck. It's never easy.