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  "They're only human!" (the most common defence of the Governing Body)

  by Watchtower-Free in

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  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tkjk3eyd7ee.

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  If they're only human they don't have a right to disfellowship anyone and consider them cutoff from God and friends.
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  Meeting for those wishing to be appointed

  by PrincessCynic in

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  2. beliefs

  i heard recently that a nearby congregation which some of my family attend are having this.

  basically the elders are arranging an open meeting with all those who would like to be appointed.

  is this happening everywhere?

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  I've been to these. Typical of witnesses they hold a special formal meeting and bore everyone to death rather than just getting together socially once in awhile and building a real relationship and slowly reminding some of the MS or Elder prospects what the qualifications are.

  The dubs in decades past knew how to be social with one another. The whole organization seemed warmer and friendlier. The dubs now are just frantic and wore out and have little to no time for socializing.
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  Finished Crisis of Conscience Recently

  by wallievase in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  well i finally got around to finishing crisis of conscience.

  2 things stood out to me most.. 1. the fact that the gb can question beliefs and noone else can.. 2. strangly the most disturbing fact- its a small one- but actually made the biggest impression on me out of the whole book-.

  the fact that they agreed to send him a copy of his meeting tapes and then refused and admitted in writing that they lied.. obviously there was much more that i got from it and i do find franz situation unique in that he had a whole support system outside of the "truth" and most today including myself have nothing- if i leave my wife hates me, my family wont talk to me, etc- it doesnt provide any solution for that scenario.. any thoughts on the above points- let me know.

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  For the most part CoC confirmed what I had already figured out and provided me with a ton of insight that I would never had been able to get on my own.
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  Crap....help please

  by DS211 in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  so tonight my wife looked iver the wt for tomorrow.

  she said what she got out of it was that apostates are negative murmurers who can cause you to question jehovah and his earthly org and that it reminded her of the negativity caused when i told her i read ray franz's book.

  she said it caused me to question service, family worship night, and praying together.

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  You've got a lot of good advice here. I would just add that hopefully you can save the kids before they get older and too entrenched.q
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  The Real Aftermath of the AGM...Part 2

  by raymond frantz in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  for the ones based in britain only the "few" were invited to attend the agm .they received their new grey bible and the rumor was that the new bible will not be available for the rest of the congragations until january .it was confirmed tonight .a letter was read as local announcement that the new bibles will not be available until the end of january for the rest of the congragation .all the in crowd were sat there with their new flashy bible looking smug.also the bible reading was read from the new bible to make it all the more obvious ..... the real aftermath of agm....

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  I bet that the ones who didn't get the AGM invitation and new bible won't be angry or jealous but will see it the other way around. They'll feel that they need to do more in order to qualify to be a part of the special group when something like this happens again. They react with the conditioning that the society has worked so hard to instill.
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  Beginning of Electronic Assemblies?

  by Fading Begins in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  do you think this could have been an experiment to see how smoothly these events can be processed, and what the reaction is from the rank and file?

  it would sure save a lot of money if events like this could replace at least the one day circuit assemblies.

  there has to be some recognition that the "flock" is becoming weary and they don't have the funds to be travelling to these events.

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  Perhaps they'll just add this special weekend event each year to the schedule? So each year there will be a DC, SAD, CA and the AGM. It's a way of getting a few more donations by having an exciting event without requiring the dubs to stay overnight anywhere.

  Personally I hope this meeting will replace one day of the DC or CA. Or maybe replace the SAD completely.
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  Now it's the Annual Meeting!

  by stillin in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  as if circuit assemblies, district conventions, meetings, watchtower studies, special assembly days and bible studies weren't enough, now it's this!

  aaa argh!.

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  Is the annual meeting going to be piped to the kingdom halls or do they dubs have to travel to an assembly hall?
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  Anyone else an Ex Bethel "volunteer"

  by BackseatDevil in

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  2. experiences

  i was wondering if there were any other ex-bethelites on here.

  i personally regularly went for temporary work at brooklyn then was assigned to the farm for a year and a half.

  it was... one of the most bizaare experiences of my life.. so i wrote it all down (finally, after some 15 years) so i won't bore anyone on here with the details of the story - because bethel doesn't show up until chapter 15... and for you straight folks, it gets a bit gay in two places... but nothing gross.

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  Backseat...you have a PM
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  Anyone else an Ex Bethel "volunteer"

  by BackseatDevil in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  i was wondering if there were any other ex-bethelites on here.

  i personally regularly went for temporary work at brooklyn then was assigned to the farm for a year and a half.

  it was... one of the most bizaare experiences of my life.. so i wrote it all down (finally, after some 15 years) so i won't bore anyone on here with the details of the story - because bethel doesn't show up until chapter 15... and for you straight folks, it gets a bit gay in two places... but nothing gross.

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  Backseat - ater reading everyone's posts I am really looking forward to reading your book.

  It seems that we walked the halls of B Building and E Building at the same time.
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  Still in with kids

  by thinking_ability in

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  TheListener

  Just wanted to add that if you were a witness and have discovered the TTATT and have been succesful in keeping your kids free then be prepared for your believing spouse to blame everything that goes wrong with your children on the fact that you no longer believe and that the kids are following your example.

  You sort of become the lightning rod for everything that may go wrong in your spouse's life as well as the kids.

  If you know and understand that fact it will hopefully keep you from overreacting when it occurs.

  Keep in mind the very real situations which many of us face. Like after school activities, dances, skirt length, tv shows, worldly friends and on and on and on. Kids are bound to push boundaries and that can put the non witness spouse right in the line of fire.

  I have gotten by so far by remembering that i am doing this for the kids sake not just now but for the restof their lives and that my emotional discomfort is the price I am paying for their freedom.