https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ip0wuwjbdmi.
"from 1955 till present, popular music has declined to the point where it is now consistently "stupid" and homogenous.
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First of all that sounds like a statement an old person would make - an old person from any previous generation throughout time about a younger generation.
Second I would argue that crappy songs and lyrics could be found in any genre of music throughout time as well.
Third, music is art and art is subjective. Each listener has likes and dislikes; why would one person or persons claim to know what is viewed as quality by another person or persons.
when i was a teenager in the borg i was a dyed in the wool, goody two shoes, squeaky clean,"spiritual " sister.
alot of my peers around me were rebelling and going off the rails but not me.
i was constantly praised for this and even felt a little smug about it ha!.
seems as though the number of baptisms even for the young ones is down from what people report here.
at my former hall the young ones are all in totally sheltered even while going to school.
expressing thier desires to pioneer etc.
From my experience with my kids:
1. Embarrassed to tell classmates about being a witness, even at a young age.
2. Internet.
3. School teaching critical thinking.
4. Me working my ass off to make sure they didn't fall prey to the WTS.
i am just curious who on this board is in the same situation has i am?
a spouse that is fully brain doogled in and you are awake to ttatt.. without going into serious detail and no names are given.
i would like to possible talk with one of you all, it's just so helpful to communicate with someone in the same situation as me.. i am located in the southwest united states..
I'm fully out but my wife is 100% dub. But, she's sick and misses a lot of meetings. We've come to an unspoken agreement on many things over the last few years. The kids and I go to memorial but that is the only witness we do. In return my wife has some involvement in most holidays with us as long as no one at the KH finds out.
At first it was really tough and uncomfortable as she would get ready for the meetings and make the kids go too. But, it got easier as time went by and I spent a lot of time with the kids and developed a great relationship with them that was not built on the JW religion. In the end all my kids told my wife that they weren't interested in being witnesses.
i am bringing this up because even it was a lot of work, for the majority of the friends this was a rewarding experience.
camaraderie, joking, costumes, props and when the time came the celebrity status of being in the drama.. back in the 50s and 60s, conventions could be as long as 8 days and from about 1966 the dramas became an integral part of the program.
we had one per day and the brothers looked forward to their presentation.
Hecce, I think you're right. Everyone felt special and was getting more than the usual attention from the CO and even the DO when he came to a couple rehearsals but the hours involved were ridiculous.
Me, I just liked the girls and the food.
i was born into the elastic fact, tract & knock knock club, as it is known to some, but most often you will hear them referred to as "the worst thing i've ever been through.
"i had the typical jw early life of forced compliance by sadistic joy killing narcissists.
i learned early on that 'new light' doesn't come from stifled children and there was no suggestion box at my house.. when i was 6 my parents divorced and my mom quickly remarried and we moved from portland to the oregon coast.
i left the organization in 2011 and never look back.
i left behind my sister and her two daughters by mid 2015 both her daughters (both are in their early twenties) were disfellowshipped and left the organization.
she has decided to go to costa rica as a missionary (i guess that's what they are still calling them, unless that has changed, been gone so long i don't know if they came up with a new term for it).
Don't worry, she'll be back in a few years and be looking to borrow money or to have you help her with retirement. It seems the witnesses trust in J with everything they have....until it comes time to retire. At retirement it's all 'is your basement being lived in...?'
i am bringing this up because even it was a lot of work, for the majority of the friends this was a rewarding experience.
camaraderie, joking, costumes, props and when the time came the celebrity status of being in the drama.. back in the 50s and 60s, conventions could be as long as 8 days and from about 1966 the dramas became an integral part of the program.
we had one per day and the brothers looked forward to their presentation.
When I was a teenager my parents were in a drama, they may have played a friendly modern day circuit overseer and his wife (which wasn't far off the mark from their real lives). I was not included. I went to several rehearsals and helped my parents practice their arm waving. They have always said it was a mixed blessing. On one hand it was something different and exciting but on the other hand it was stressful and time consuming.
this morning i stopped at dollar general to get a cheap container for waste paper.
it was 11:30 am and there were two jw literature trolleys parked near the store and manned by three jws, on old man in a rolling chair, a 30 something man, and 30 something woman.
as i walked by them i glanced at the their literature rack and proceeded into the store.. i was in the store for 20 minutes and made my purchase.
im in the process of drifting out.
my entire family are jw's.
my wife and her family are too.
I hear you PE. I was in a similar situation. I reported 1 to 3 hours for many months before I just never turned in a report. At the same time I was going to barely any meetings. At some point you just disappear off the radar - that is unless you ride to the meetings with your elder father in law. I also traded talks with other brothers claiming sickness or work; not the same brother more than once or twice. Eventually, I just didn't get any more talks.
I guess what I'm saying is that if you slowly fade or drift you have to keep up some sort of pretense for awhile which may mean reporting an hour or two. But, I have a feeling that with your particular family situation you are going to have more pressure and may eventually just have to go full "I'm depressed and sick, give me time to heal" on the couple of elders that are bugging you.
