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  2,000 US and 25,000 civilians now dead in Iraq

  by Simon in

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  what a waste .

  http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/4376812.stm.

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  The people who want to stop criticism of the president are the ones who have sold democracy down the river.

  About the only true democracy left is the ability for enough of the public to make enough noise that things get done.

  It's unbelievable that after all that Bush has done and caused that he is not only still in office and hasn't been prosecuted but still has some support! Same for Blair.

  When will people wake up? Are they so lazy or stupid that they just don't care? "Hey, so what if people get killed as long as I can drive my care and stuff burgers in my fat face."

  Thank you Simon for thoese comments. I've moved and so havn't had net for a couple weeks but I came back to read this thread with interest. I agree wholeheartedly with your comments.

  The very problem I see on this thread with thoese who try to say were anti-American and anti-Bush is they have exchanged democracy for a look alike shell. They are the ones trying to suppress freedom of speech and promoting a blind and ignororant following even in the face of the American governments failure. This is playing out much the same as the Star Wars saga in which people give blind loyalty to the Empire believing it is a democratic society. Ones attack us who dare expose the hypocrisy of this government and label us as anti-American when in actuality we are fighting for the very values they first established.

  U/D - I was not referring to foreing leaders when I stated "Bush and all his Cronies" but rather to his circle of power or representitives. You have taken what I said out of context and added a meaning to it that was never their. Typical of thoese who continue to blindly follow their corrupt leadership, demanding that others do also and then you say were the ones serving these political God's.

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  P.S. I know this thread is heated but Im not trying to be argumentitive but am trying to state a valid point of view.
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  How did the Slave Class' feed one another' in Russells time?

  by gumby in

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  the current teaching among jehovahs witnesses is that since pentecost of 33c.e., jehovah has had a faithfull and discreet slave class on earth at any given time who feeds one another spiritual food.

  they have not deviated from this teaching.......yet nowhere will you find out where charles taze russell recieved a feeding from any existing slace class from his time.. search all you want...and you will never find a 'slave class' who russell recieved his food from.

  all articles point to russell as the single slave since no others were viewed as a slave of his time.....rather that truths were dispensed by him although some of his ideas originated with others....though these "others" were never recognised as a "slave class"..rather some men who never really had it right.. watchtower 1922 september 15 p.279 .

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  Its because its very hard to get past the blockades that a indoctrinated person throws up. I have had numerous discussions with witnesses on the lack of evidence for an organization and even though they lack any biblical backing they still maintain that they can not be wrong. It's difficult to get past this mindset because they have a feeling of eliteness and that they have all the answers. Even when presented with problems in their belief system or outright false statements they go into auto-pilot, which usually equates to circular reasoning. etc. "We can't be wrong because it's God's organization. If it's God's organization we can't be wrong."

  Thats what I find difficult to overcome, because even when presented with all the evidence their indoctrination is a huge obstacle to overcome and I believe they have to want help to be helped. Some are perfectly happy being misled and do not want help, others are further strengthened in their resolve to serve the watchtower by such exposing information, actually leading to the opposite desired effect. I affirmatively believe that it is a psychological battle due to the power of indoctrination, yet so few research the psychological effects of high control groups but rather soley focus on doctrine.

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  New Releases.. losing pzazz??

  by Inquisitor in

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  has anyone else noticed that in recent years the new releases have less 'chunky' content?

  a book of maps, a children's book about jesus (?

  ), and this year's book which summarises main witness teachings (from what i gathered anyway, i haven't seen it yet).. the language is simpler, the message trimmed up nicely.. i wonder why.

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  I think everyone here has made valid and very likely points.
  

  
  
  I really think though that alot of it is to do with their much more rapid progress in the third world markets. Lets face it expansion in the modernized countries is at a standstill or an actual decline. The uneducated and developing countries is where the numbers are at now for the Watchtower society. Their focus is on thoese markets and these people are not going to be easily influenced or interested by long winded speculations that the Society use to thrive on for growth. Their interest is in solutions to their current dilemas and so the information is more tailored in that direction.
  

  
  
  Also I think the days of people being overly excited and enthralled by confusing, systematic, dogmatic cronology and wild speculation is over. They have had their fingers snapped too many times by false phrophetic time declarations and false scriptural presumptions. They have become much more cautious and careful in what they publish, much due I expect to the increased publicity of their miscalculations and outright lies by the internet.
  

  
  
  I also think Fred Franz was the last one who actually had any autonomy in what they wrote and theorized. No one on the governing body or writing committees has any balls any more, or will stick their neck out to publicize their speculated phrophecy's or interpretations.
  

  
  
  I'm afraid they may just continue revamping the same ol' same ol' for as long as possible, while yet trying to maintain a faltering expectation of events to come. An outdated piece of machinery coming to a slow grinding halt.
  

  
  
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  Book Study Inventory House Cleaning

  by Ticker in

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  i remember often times the same book would be studied over again at the book study of the jw's and sometimes it would happen within a short period of its original consideration.

  they always gave the reason that their was necessary information for the times and thats why it was being read over again, but i read something last night that really made sence as to why they schedule certain books to be studied again.

  not surprisingly it has little to do with any spiritual concern but rather it is all business, all dollars and cents for this publishing giant called the watchtower society.

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  I remember often times the same book would be studied over again at the book study of the JW's and sometimes it would happen within a short period of its original consideration. They always gave the reason that their was necessary information for the times and thats why it was being read over again, but I read something last night that really made sence as to why they schedule certain books to be studied again. Not surprisingly it has little to do with any spiritual concern but rather it is all business, all dollars and cents for this publishing giant called the Watchtower Society. This information comes from Ray Franz and his ISOCF book page 533.

  "On occasion, when their has been a large inventory backlog of a certain publication, though that book had earlier been studied by all congregations at the congregational "book study" groups, the headquarters has rescheduled that publication for use, knowing that the number of new persons that had begun associating in the interim would take much if not all of the inventory backlog. The need to clean out that backlog determined how hundreds of thousands of persons would spend numerous hours of study. What their spirtual needs actually indicated as appropriate was not the determining factor."

  So much for caring for the spiritual needs of its followers, again money and inventory backlogs take more precident then people spirituality. It clearly is a business orientated publishing company. Now it all makes sence why they recomend everyone get a new study book each time even though they may still have their original one in good condition. They said it was for our benefit but clearly this is not so, it was so they sell their overstocked inventory, clear out all the extra books and fill the donation boxes with your money.

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  November is WTS Fundraising Month

  by Severus in

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  deep a bit deeper friends:

  this is from the kingdom ministry november 2005 "service meeting schedule".

  fundraising starts early during the week of 14 november:

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  I can only expect as years go by this kind of begging for money will get more and more constant. Im surprised they didn't allow for a monthly direct deposit to the watchtower society, but that may be soon to come.

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  586 607 Jerusalem destroyed.

  by PoppyR in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  hi guys, new!

  and i'm sure this has been covered, but i find the site has no search for me to look, so sorry if you've discussed it to death.

  for the first time last night i came across information about 586 being the actual year jerusalem was destroyed.

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  Thank you Googlemagoogle for the link to the www.607v587.com site. Its so frustrating to read the societys answers to his letter as they always try to spin the argument and never give direct answers. They are just like typical politicians that hide behind their lies and only tell what they want to be known to others. I can only imagine how frustrated this person must have been to take all that time to write thoese letters with all the qoutes and research, only to have the watchtower try to use circular reasoning and spin some non related nonsence his way.

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  2,000 US and 25,000 civilians now dead in Iraq

  by Simon in

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  what a waste .

  http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/4376812.stm.

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  I fail to see how any of this thread is anti american, if anything its pro american as it shows we care how the United States is being governed. We are merely discussing the political blunders and mishaps of the united states president Bush. Which in my opinion, he is a pinhead that continuously makes an ass of himself. But by no means are we being demeaning to the nation as a whole, we are merely showing our disdain for the current leadership because it is effecting the whole world. I just don't understand how some can so vehemently stick up for his mismanagement and turn a blind eye to all his stupidity. That goes for the Bush administration as a whole because as Sam said its not just Bush but all his cronies.

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  Witnesses.....will they REALLY be any different in the New System?

  by gumby in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  in talking to a fellow ex-dub buddy of mine the other day, it occured to me that in many ways....witnesses could be living the life they expect to live in the new system.......but they don't.. in the publications we see picture after picture of smiling brothers helping each other frame each others new houses ....for free.

  we also never see in the publications poor african people walking through aligator/ piranna infested swamps to get to a kingdom hall either in the new system.. .

  the fact is......brothers hire brothers in this system to help build their new homes and are taught not to expect free labor, but to pay them as you would the next guy.. with regards to the poor africans.....and others...., the jehovahs witness organisation has enough money to see that fellow believers in poorer countries should not go hungry or be without a meeting place to worship in.

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  They dont because the Watchtower exemplifies the scripture they so often like to place on other churches "They pay service with their lips but their hearts are far removed from me."

  The Watchtower is all talk, always have been and always will be. They paint a nice picture but it will never become reality.

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  2,000 US and 25,000 civilians now dead in Iraq

  by Simon in

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  what a waste .

  http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/4376812.stm.

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  He is still MY President...and like all of 'em...I give him the respect he deserves....(as I did Clinton too)...

  For one...EVERY single soldier I've met and talked to...is behind their Commander and Chief...odd?

  This is a go nowhere discussion...at best.

  Please be polite...and show respect.

  u/d(of the hate the man if you choose,but...respect the position class)

  This is the reason why Bush is still in power, because of people attitudes similar to this one. Even if he is decietful and a liar they still blindly throw their support his way, and then attack the ones who try and voice their opinion of his wrongful leadership. This is as stupid as continuing to follow the governing body when they too have been decietful and wrong. Are they still your governing body upside down? Do you still give them the respect they deserve? So why should we do that for a incompitent leader of a country. How does the rule change for Bush? I dont understand how people think this is anti american, this is using freedom of speach which is a given right and using it to voice the deciet and deception by the American presidential cabinet.

  Ticker(of the we have the right to discuss valid political concerns class)
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  Is disfellowshipping bad?

  by Simon in

  1. watchtower
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  it seems that some people are keen to use disfellowshipping as the measure of anything bad.

  if someone is deleted from a forum for being obnoxious then that is akin to being disfellowshipped and is b-a-d. yada yada yada.. is it?.

  is every disfellowshipping "bad" simply by virtue of being a disfellowshipping?.

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  My take on the discussion board is the administrator of the site has the right to implement rules and enforce these rules with necessary actions. I really hate to see people deleted from these boards and I dont know the whole story behind any of the deletions and their may be many factors only the administrator and these deleted ones know. So we must abide by the administrators actions, confident he took the correct action toword these ones. Maybe their were misunderstandings, or things got escalated, but I would hope some of the deleted ones may in time be allowded back.

  Personally I think having web site wars because ones are mad over thier deletion is silly and they need to realize the real picture. This site is meant to help ones discover the truth about the watchtower society and to help them in the process of leaving that organization. To use it for any other means especially for personal vendetta's is selfish and sadly these ones have lost the whole point of this site being in existence.

  Both this site and the other Ex JW site serve valid purposes and both have excellent posters of which I enjoy thier comments, but to take revenge over deletions really detracts from the main purpose of the sites. Sure it makes good gossip maybe but what would the newbies think about it? Just a thought, since I wish for the betterment of all that both sites could work in unison for the enlightenment of others.

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