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Fruits of the Spirit

by Ticker in

i had a discussion today with a witnesse and was directing her toword this site and the qoutes site.

i was thinking though of how the organization used to continually stress the developing of the fruitage of the spirit, i then was reading a book entitled "leaving the fold".

an excellent book written by a doctor who delves into the psychological aspects of cults and religions not necessarilly pointed at just jw's but all such groups.

Ticker

In a New York Bethel Minute- very excellent points to ponder and really makes one wonder and raises some valid evaluations as to what the Holy Sprit truly is. Thankyou for thoese thoughts.

Yes Scully, I never knew they had thoese views let alone abandoned their earlier thoughts on the holy spirit. Sure shows how they have increasingly created a rift and division among thier own flock in creating two distinct classes of christians, another teaching that fails to have any validity according to scripture. Thank you for your post.

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any jehovahs witness from egypt ???

by koaty2000 in

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i wanna find some of jehovahs witness in egypt plz some body help me to find them

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Are you from Egypt? Welcome to the board.

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Jesus was a liar.

by nicolaou in

firstly, it is not my intention here to offend anyone so if you are likely to get upset at reading 'blasphemous' statements or criticism of jesus then perhaps you should go to another topic.

also, i am not in the habit of making personal attacks on other posters, if you decide to stay and read this - don't attack me!

by all means rip my post to pieces and explain where i got it all wrong, but don't shoot the messenger.. and remember, i come from the same place as most of you, i was one of jehovah's witnesses for over thirty years.

Ticker

Im not here to debate whether Christ is legit or not and never would I take a stabbing jester at ones who hold personal views whether to the contrary or not. I personally believe it comes down to faith, you either put faith in Christ or you don't. The bible forecast this, that it would require much faith on the part of christians, but I think it is shallow to dismiss Christs claims on the scriptures that were related since they all require faith on part of the follower. Who's to say unless one puts faith or doesn't. The only thing I find disturbing and this is not directed toword any one individual but when ones leave the organization that they entrusted their whole faith in, they then find it impossible to put faith in God. How was it easier to put faith in a corrupt human organization but then upon realization they cannot rightfully put faith in God? Even many years of devotion to a religious body of humans but yet upon revelation of their deciet one cannot bear to put faith where it properly was needed, namely in Christ. It is one thing to be duped once, but another to take bitterness against a human system that misled one and to display that bitterness toword Christ. I mean no bad to anyone but it is shocking to view the amount of apathy among ones who could so faithfully serve man but not God.

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Book - "A People for His Name" by Timothy White

by VM44 in

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"a people for his name" by timothy white is an early, but still excellent, book about the history of the jws.. here is a page containing portions from the book.

http://members.fortunecity.com/peopleforhisname/peopleforhisname.htm.

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Seems very sympathetic to Russel, yet very informative of early doctrines most books fail to cover, but how does the rest of the material on Rutherford come across as? Is this book still available for purchase anywhere or is it out of print. Im guessing its out of print since it is being put into electronic form on that website.

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Fruits of the Spirit

by Ticker in

i had a discussion today with a witnesse and was directing her toword this site and the qoutes site.

i was thinking though of how the organization used to continually stress the developing of the fruitage of the spirit, i then was reading a book entitled "leaving the fold".

an excellent book written by a doctor who delves into the psychological aspects of cults and religions not necessarilly pointed at just jw's but all such groups.

Ticker

Excellent summary Low Key. That about sums up how far off they are from the 'fruits of the spirit'.

As for faith, I would have to question where their faith lies. In God and Christ or in a man run organization? From knowing the witness mindset and having oral debates with witnesses over this very subject, I can most certainly attest that their faith is misguided toword a central body of humans within a religion rather then rightly directed to Christ and his Father. Most witnesses I think fail to consciencly notice this fact but if one really looks they notice that the witness puts all his faith in the society rather then in their leader the Christ, a fact that even ones who have had minimal interaction with the witnesses could agree with.

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Book - "A People for His Name" by Timothy White

by VM44 in

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"a people for his name" by timothy white is an early, but still excellent, book about the history of the jws.. here is a page containing portions from the book.

http://members.fortunecity.com/peopleforhisname/peopleforhisname.htm.

Ticker

The large quantities that went out did not always produce results satisfying to Russell. Said he in 1903, “Good results have come—though far less than we hoped for them from the vast quantity of printed matter thus circulated.” He was constantly put to it to devise means by which the tracts could be used more effectively and with less waste. He advised against using them for colored people or Roman Catholics, believing them to be less intelligent or open-minded than white Protestants.

I found this statement to be an eye opener as too how their was a definate prejudice prevalent in Russel. I find it hard to believe that a christian could think such ways when the scriptures warn us from developing such views of eliteness among our fellow humans. From what I read in thoese first three chapter he seemed like a decent person, although somewhat misguided and a bit arrogant in his self views. A definate difference from the mindset of Rutherford though, in which Rutherford most certainly ruled with an iron fist which clasped tighter and tighter around the Organization. Interesting how sects start out and can overtime develop into cult like organizations. Wouldn't mind reading this book if one could find it.

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Book - "A People for His Name" by Timothy White

by VM44 in

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"a people for his name" by timothy white is an early, but still excellent, book about the history of the jws.. here is a page containing portions from the book.

http://members.fortunecity.com/peopleforhisname/peopleforhisname.htm.

Ticker

I found the first three chapters online listed here http://members.fortunecity.com/peopleforhisname/peopleforhisname.htm

It says to be added to later so not sure if they will add the whole book in time or not.

Ticker

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Fruits of the Spirit

by Ticker in

i had a discussion today with a witnesse and was directing her toword this site and the qoutes site.

i was thinking though of how the organization used to continually stress the developing of the fruitage of the spirit, i then was reading a book entitled "leaving the fold".

an excellent book written by a doctor who delves into the psychological aspects of cults and religions not necessarilly pointed at just jw's but all such groups.

Ticker

Thanks for that explanation IP Sec. I know just how you feel, it makes me sick too to see them twist what is actually their to make it serve their purpose.

I still fail to buy the watchtowers explanation, it's faulty as we cannont be compared to the pre christian nation of Israel, which existed under the law covenent. All people from Christ death onward are no longer under law but rather under Christ, or the new covenent. So in my view I can not see how they logically could synchronize such thinking. They essentially have re-instituted the Law covenent back on the majority of its membership that Christ diminished with his sacrificial death. And all christians are supposed to be equal, yet they have elevated themselves in a two tier system. Its too bad people can't see this when they subject themselves to such false reasonings.

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does anyone realy know how many 144,000 are realy left?

by lied too in

i have been talking to some friends of mine both in and out of the "cult".

and the one thing that no one can come up with is how many of the socalled 144,000 are left, i would estamate there to be atleast 145,000 still kicking today.

if any one out there know's of a number and not the number put in the watchtower, i mean realy do you belive all you read.

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It was interesting to view the photos of the existing governing body members. Sure not many of the original members left, almost a whole new face on the body. This shows embarressingly the faultiness of setting time dates and giving a meaning to the scriptures concerning 1935 that is simply not their.

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does anyone realy know how many 144,000 are realy left?

by lied too in

i have been talking to some friends of mine both in and out of the "cult".

and the one thing that no one can come up with is how many of the socalled 144,000 are left, i would estamate there to be atleast 145,000 still kicking today.

if any one out there know's of a number and not the number put in the watchtower, i mean realy do you belive all you read.

Ticker

Perhaps if I'm invited to the memorial in 06, and decide to go (highly unlikely), I'll partake just to fu^k with em. That would be a lot of fun.

You can try and it would be interesting to see the expressions on everyones face, but highly unlikely that they would record or take it serious especially if one is not a regular attender. Ticker