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Saoirse
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i'm out.
by yellow inthought you'd might like to know but i'm officially out.
it feels great all the hurt, guilt, fear and paranoia questioning, doubts, etc etc are finally gone and it tastes and feels good what a relief.
no more pain and sorrow, only jubilation along with a sense of being finally at peace with myself.
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To Angel Eyes & Other WT Apologists
by snowbird init has come to my attention that a much-beloved poster on this forum has been hurt by the insensitivity shown toward her account of how badly she was treated by the wt.. i realize this is a place where are all welcome, and barring any posting guidelines violations, we are free to air our views without fear of any backlash.. however, please keep in mind that most posters here - yours truly being one of them - view the wt in a negative light.
with all the evidence out there pertaining to its deceitfulness, how can anyone view it otherwise?.
i reached out to you, angel eyes, because i sense that you need a friend.
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Saoirse
Don't worry. Anyone who was hurt by the JWs can understand where you're coming from. It's hard to have that garbage rubbed in your face. JWs are nothing but a bunch of hypocrites. All their talk of love is nothing but lies. I get sick when I read it too. You're not a bad person for being upset by it. Nothing wrong with calling out BS.
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To Angel Eyes & Other WT Apologists
by snowbird init has come to my attention that a much-beloved poster on this forum has been hurt by the insensitivity shown toward her account of how badly she was treated by the wt.. i realize this is a place where are all welcome, and barring any posting guidelines violations, we are free to air our views without fear of any backlash.. however, please keep in mind that most posters here - yours truly being one of them - view the wt in a negative light.
with all the evidence out there pertaining to its deceitfulness, how can anyone view it otherwise?.
i reached out to you, angel eyes, because i sense that you need a friend.
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Saoirse
I know it's hard when you feel like you're being attacked... or are being attacked. Trust me: I KNOW. BUT... you know who you are... and what you are. Don't let anyone take that from you. When people are "nasty" it's because (1)they don't know any better (which pretty much covers everyone loyal to the WTBTS), (2) they're hurting in their own way (which pretty much covers everyone loyal to the WTBTS, (3)they think they're being attacked/persecuted (which pretty much covers everyone loyal to the WTBTS), (4) they think they're right (which pretty much covers everyone loyal to the WTBTS, or (5) they're in utter denial as to their own errors and/or shortcomings (which pretty much covers everyone loyal to the WTBTS).
This is SOOO true.
Grace, you're a special person and very important to this community. In fact, you're one of the reasons I'm a Christian today. You were the one who was always showing people love, even when they didn't deserve it. This board would be a sad place without your posts. Please don't let some JW apologist upset you. I know it's hard to hear their drivel but they're really just poor, brainwashed souls who doesn't even know they're lost. They're not worth leaving over.
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IS THERE ANY JUSTIFCATION THAT THE GOD OF THE BIBLE KILLED BABIES .??
by Mr. Majestic in.
assuming the bible true:.
thinking of the story of the way that jehovah, through samuel and saul, dealt with the amalekites; with the discovery of the criminal gene, could this justify the god of the bibles actions against these nations, when he put out the order to not have compassion for them, and the israelites were ordered to put to death, man as well as woman, child as well as suckling...??
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That certainly is a difficult question. I found a website that explains the Christians response to it far better than I could so I quoted it below.
Q uestion: "Why did God command the extermination of the Canaanites, women and children included?"
Answer: In 1 Samuel 15:2-3 , God commanded Saul and the Israelites, “This is what the LORD Almighty says: 'I will punish the Amalekites for what they did to Israel when they waylaid them as they came up from Egypt. Now go, attack the Amalekites and totally destroy everything that belongs to them. Do not spare them; put to death men and women, children and infants, cattle and sheep, camels and donkeys.'" God ordered similar things when the Israelites were invading the promised land ( Deuteronomy 2:34 ; 3:6 ; 20:16-18 ). Why would God have the Israelites exterminate an entire group of people, women and children included?
This is honestly a very difficult issue. We do not fully understand why God would command such a thing, but at the same time we trust God that He is just – and recognize that we are incapable of fully understanding a sovereign, infinite, and eternal God. As we look at difficult issues such as this one, we have to remember that God’s ways are higher than our ways and His thoughts are higher than our thoughts ( Isaiah 55:9 ; Romans 11:33-36 ). We have to be willing to trust God and have faith in Him even when we do not understand His ways. Unlike us, God knows the future. God knew what the results would be if Israel did not completely eradicate the Amalekites. If Israel did not carry out God’s orders, the Amalekites would come back to “haunt” the Israelites again and again. Saul claimed to have killed everyone but the Amalekite king Agag ( 1 Samuel 15:20 ). Obviously Saul was lying…just a couple of decades later there were enough Amalekites to take David and his men’s families captive ( 1 Samuel 30:1-2 ). After David and his men attacked the Amalekites and rescued their families, 400 Amalekites escaped. If Saul had fulfilled what God had commanded him, this never would have occurred. Several hundred years later, a descendant of Agag, Haman, tried to have the entire Jewish people exterminated (see the book of Esther). So, Saul’s incomplete obedience almost resulted in Israel’s destruction. God knew this would occur, so He ordered the extermination of the Amalekites ahead of time. In regard to the Canaanites, God commanded, “However, in the cities of the nations the LORD your God is giving you as an inheritance, do not leave alive anything that breathes. Completely destroy them — the Hittites, Amorites, Canaanites, Perizzites, Hivites and Jebusites — as the LORD your God has commanded you. Otherwise, they will teach you to follow all the detestable things they do in worshiping their gods, and you will sin against the LORD your God” ( Deuteronomy 20:16-18 ). The Israelites failed in this mission as well, and exactly what God said would happen occurred ( Judges 2:1-3 ; 1 Kings 11:5 ; 14:24 ; 2 Kings 16:3-4 ). God did not order the extermination of these people to be cruel, but rather to prevent even greater evil from occurring in the future.
P robably the most difficult part of these commands from God is that God ordered the death of children and infants as well. Why would God order the death of innocent children? (1) Children are not innocent ( Psalm 51:5 ; 58:3 ). (2) These children would have likely grown up as adherents to the evil religions and practices of their parents. (3) By ending their lives as children, God enabled them to have entrance into Heaven. We strongly believe that all children who die are accepted into Heaven by the grace and mercy of God ( 2 Samuel 12:22-23 ; Mark 10:14-15 ; Matthew 18:2-4 ).
Again, this answer does not completely deal with all the issues. Our focus should be on trusting God even when we do not understand His ways. We also have to remember that God looks at things from an eternal perspective, and that His ways are higher than our ways. God is just, righteous, holy, loving, merciful, and gracious. How His attributes work together can be a mystery to us – but that does not mean that He is not who the Bible proclaims Him to be. Recommended Resource: Show Them No Mercy: 4 Views on God and Canaanite Genocide . -
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Layin' some heavy stuff on ya'
by AK - Jeff inthree days ago i became aware that my daughter was arrested.
again.. here's a little history.
we adopted this child when she was 2 months old.
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Saoirse
Jeff, I am so sorry for what you and your wife are going through.
You and your wife did a wonderful & selfless thing by adopting your daughter and then giving a home to her children when she neglected them. I agree with the other posters, her extreme behavior - lying, manipulating, difficulty with accepting rules and authority, promiscuity, poor impulse control, lack of remorse, inability to love, etc - seems to indicate an anti-social personality disorder. That was probably simply something in her DNA and you have little to do with it. There is a good chance that your daughter experienced some neglect during her first 2 months. Studies have shown that neglecting a newborn can cause hormonal imbalances that leave them unable to form social & emotional bonds. The problem can persist even after being adopted into a loving home. That's not your fault.
While being raised a JW isn't the ideal childhood, there is absolutely no reason for the child of loving JW parents to act in the manner that your daughter is. While some JW kids rebel, your daughter's actions are beyond simple teen or post-JW rebellion. The JW religion is not to blame for this. There is nothing wrong with setting rules for your child or teaching them a moral code. ANY decent parent would do the same. Please do not feel guilty for teaching your child those things. I am saddened (but not surprised) that you didn't get the support you needed from your cong.
As much as it pains you, going to jail may end up being the best thing to happen to your daughter. Sometimes, people need to hit absolute rock-bottom to come to their senses. She will be away from the drugs and hopefully will be able to receive some counseling. There is always hope for your daughter. Don't let anyone tell you otherwise. No one is beyond the grace of God, no matter how far gone they may seem. Never give up hope. Keep praying for her, even when you're angry, even when it's difficult. I have found that when I'm angry or heart-broken by someone, praying for them actually has a calming effect on me. You would be helping both you and her by doing that.
You and your wife sound like good people. You did everything you could. Focus on that and on your grandchildren. I will keep you and your family in my prayers. God bless you all.
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Baby??? honeymoon??? a certain time to have them??
by angel eyes inhas anyone ever heard anything wrong with having a honeymoon baby??.
just wanted to ask as i was told by an elder two weeks before i married "dont you dare have a honeymoon baby"......
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Just wanted to ask as i was told by an elder two weeks before i married "dont you dare have a honeymoon baby"....
angel eyes, what goes on between you and your husband is no one else's business. There is nothing in the Bible that says that getting pregnant on your honeymoon is wrong. That elder should worry about his own life instead of sticking his nose in yours. Congrats on your wedding.
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Stupidest JW meeting answers
by GapingMouth ini was thinking about some stupid non-sensical answers i have heard over the years.
"we all know the blue whale is the biggest fish"
"we were on the ministry and met a coloured couple.
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A mother and daughter (Mrs. and Miss Paine) attended a congregation in northeast MD. During the WT study, the mother was sitting in one of the front rows and her daughter sitting with her friends near the back, both raised their hands to answer the same question. So, the conductor simply called on "Sister Paine in the rear" at which point the entire congregation erupted in hysterical laughter, except for the conductor, who had NO idea.
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"My Book of Bible Stories" returned for being "too violent for kids." You Agree?
by Witness 007 inobviously a book written for kids by old dumb morons at bethel the book starts with abels murder {with pictures for the kids} people begging to get into the ark before drowning to death...a good lesson for kiddies!
a women putting a tent peg thru someones temple {with pictures} moses killing an egyptian.
etc a horrified atheist lady returned the books my mother gave as "gifts" {count 2 placements} after seeing the horrific topics, she decided it was "not apropriate for her kids.".
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Good for that lady.
I bought a Christian bible story book for my niece and my JW mother-in-law threw a fit over it. I asked her if she would my niece watch murders on TV. She said no. Then I said "Why would you let her see pictures of murders in the My Book of Bible Stories?" The Christian book I bought my niece was kid friendly and had nothing graphic in it. She got mad and changed the subject.
That book was just awful. No wonder JW children have so many nightmares and anxiety issues.
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So, Was Your Life RUINED Because You Were A JW?
by minimus inthe fact that you were a witness, did it actually "ruin" your life?
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No. It may have made things a bit more difficult at first but it certainly hasn't ruined it. I'm much happier now. Sometimes, I think it would have been nice to be raised as a non-JW but then I wouldn't have had some of the experiences that helped shape who I am today. I thinking overcoming the JW handicap as made me a far better person.
Now am at the point where I actually feel empowered because I am an ex-JW. It was difficult to leave friends & family and the hatred and abuse that was hurled at me for being an "apostate" wasn't a pleasant thing to deal with. But after surviving that, I feel like I can accomplish anything now.
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My sisters partner died last night
by wobble inmy sister has pioneered since shortly after she left school in the mid-sixties.
she has had the same pioneer partner ,and shared a house with her,for over thirty years.. last night her long time friend died.
she had not enjoyed the best of health in recent years, but at 59, this is a devastating shock to my sister.. the problem is i don't really know what to say to her, she knows i don't believe the wt's view on life after death, so i suppose i shall just have to provide a listening ear.
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I'm sorry to hear about your sister's friend. That must be quite a loss for her.
You don't have to say anything other than offer your sympathy and to tell her she's in your thoughts. Beyond that, just provide a listening ear. That's usually the biggest need that a grieving person has. It's not the time to argue doctrine or theology. If she says anything about the the New order, just politely listen. You don't have to agree to or affirm anything she says.