Realisation that being beaten and emotionally, and mentally torn apart was all for something that had no evidence in the real world. That my whole life was being ruined over some guy that said "This is how i think of this book". Too much bullsnot for me.
Posts by Daunt
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43Why did you leave?
by greendawn inif someone asked to state briefly why you left the jw brotherhood what would you say?
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Daunt
This judge is so idiotic. However I do feel that the tension between christians and non christians is building. Should hear those political church sermons at those Mega Chruches. Crazy.
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Is age an excuse to hold back?
by stopthepain in.
a few times me and my family have had it out about the cult,and my parents{especially my mom}who are now 50,get all craxzy sometimes.she almost acts like she's physically sick,or haveing a heart attack or something when things get heated.now i understand sheis emotional to begin with,thats what got her into this crap .but is all these factors a reason to hold back feelings?i often find myself tip-toeing around how i talk to her.i feel the fanatic state they kept thier kids(especially us o0lder 3 of 5}really had detrimental effects on us.it's not so much of what they believed,but how they held us kids back from normal growth.i don't want to make her feel terrible,but sometimes it's hard not to say things.she still clings to her meeting on sunday,and basic principlkes of the bible,but i at times feel betrayed because of her cntinuing to support that reloigion.i guess you just have to take it as comes.has this happened to anyone else?sometimes i care,sometimes i don't.i want my parents to know exactly how wrong the way they raised me was.i guess it was worse because i was so trusting.at a few times in my life,i actually beli9eved.when the rug got pulled out for me,i was left emotionally scarred.it is very difficult for me to forgive and forget.it's just the more you think about how ridicoulous there way of raising children was,the more angry i get.. its my little brothers 21 birthday tonight,and we are all going out to eat and have a few drinks{but it's not a birthday party}.i couldn't do crap in all my childhood.they taught me to hate.they used warped scare tactics on young children.they held me back socially in everyway.they caused,thru that cult,soooooo much pain,that still lingers today.will i ever truly forgive and forget,i dont think so,but thier age may spare them my full disdain.its a fine line i tread with my parents,one between love and hate.. should age matter when it comes to confronting people on this subject,one that runs deep for many of us children of the watchtowers 1980's /early 90's pinnacle of fanatisism?stp
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Daunt
Reading this thread is bringing back so many memories of how my parents and brother and sister have forced me through this hell of a religion. They have no responsibility. Knowing tore that responsibility from them, fantasy has clouded their little bit of reasoning they had before the witnesses. This made them little police men for their children, and the elders are the police of the parents, and the organization is the police over everybody. Most people can not understand what goes on in the witness house, even after people leave they can't quite understand all the deception that goes on, all of this not knowing while you think you know and all this policing creates one mucked up religion.
I'm still living under my parents house and I can just see all the little self deceptive cultist techniques that they use to force themselves into beleiving while forcing me and my siblings into it also. How they totally block out instances where their children may have not been the best JW they could be, keeping their high and mighty attitude about their family from slipping between their fingers. How they use to damn guilt trips on little impressionable children that do not have the ability to refute these things. Baptising them at young ages, pretty much holding them ransom to believe in what the org wants them to believe or else you litterally have no life. Whoever can't see this deserves to be in this religion, but bringing up children in this environment should be illegal. It is one of the most immoral things I have ever seen.
Enough rambling for me. This was kinda somethin to you Gary to let out some of my stress eh. -
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Prove to me that God exists
by CinemaBlend ini need debate practice on the subject for the next time i'm cornered.
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Daunt
That's a very good point poppers. There are very few definites, and the definites that we do have still have the possibility of not existing in another universes. Like gravity, sure it's an "absolute" here but in another universe gravity could be non-existent or in the next minute gravity could disappear from this universe collasping everything into nothing. That is not to say that we should kill ourselves believing that there are other universes with no gravity because frankly we just do not have any proof. We have a few observations that suggest such theories as m theory, or we have an abundance of evidence for the big bang theory, but there could still be a possibility of some vengeful God purposely putting the evidence there to trick us to "prove our faith" or whatever.
The point is, sure these things could be possible but it's ignorant to even barely think about them out of fantasy books. There's no evidence, we're wasting our time proclaiming the existence of it when it's really just our imagination. Until there is evidence there is nothing.
This seems to hold true to everybody to day to day life, however, when a person is trying to prove their irrational point that has no evidence they try to break down possibilities. Most of the time the best arguement is, "There is a possibility isn't there?". This constant fixation on absolutes is just ignorant. There are no definite DEFINITE absolutes, and the few socially and environmentally acceptable absolutes are minute like the statement "There is the phenomenon that we call gravity on the planet earth,". However, that isn't even in the same ballpark as claiming that God is an absolute or such things like that.
I'm here because there isn't much to suggest there isn't. Until there is I'm going to enjoy my existence. -
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HOW MANY JW'S DOES IT TAKE TO CHANGE A LIGHTBULB?
by Outaservice in.
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Only one. He/She'll just condemn it to Armeggedon so much that it'll blindly change itself.
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is the end really near?...or am i paranoid?
by kittyeatzjdubs inmatt can't go to bed without the radio on, so he had it on a liberal political news station last night.
the topic they were discussing gave me a twinge of paranoia and i was hoping that maybe some of you could help me out here....they were talking about how religion is playing a big part in the war in iraq and everything.
and that made the little mom voice go off in my head...''i'm telling you jobeth.
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Plus, politicians love religion too much to get rid of it. That's their main support, especially in undeveloped nations.
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"The Creation Adventure Team" LOL
by love11 init's been awhile since i wrote, but i've been crazy busy with school work!.
my fundamental christian neighbors gave my kids this video to watch.
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Daunt
Oh wow that's hilarious. I wouldn't mind seeing these bleeding bones either.
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Prove to me that God exists
by CinemaBlend ini need debate practice on the subject for the next time i'm cornered.
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I would also like to know where God came from since the current theory is, "Complex things need a complex creator". Seems to stop where-ever the person wants it to stop.
And why do we even need an answer when we do not have sufficient evidence for it? It's nothing but a fantasy without evidence to back it up. -
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why me?
by kittyeatzjdubs indoes anyone else experience this or is it just me?
my jw mom just called and said she wanted me to call her back on my lunch break...but she didn't say why....so now i'm all nervous and worried, wondering what it is....did i get found out on this site by a lurker?...is there something wrong in the family?....i don't know!!!
now i have this awful knot in the pit of my stomach that's going to stay there until i find out what the hell's going on........does (or has) anyone else have this experience with their jw mom or dad...where they say they want to talk to you, and u have to sweat it out until they're ready?.......
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Daunt
Oh God I know what you're going through atm. Every time my mom asks "Let me talk with you for something" all of the little things i've done in the past 5 years come to mind and just pound my brain until she speaks to me. Just hold it out, it'll be over soon.
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Prove to me that God exists
by CinemaBlend ini need debate practice on the subject for the next time i'm cornered.
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Daunt
Very good question Roybatty. Another layer to add on the whole validity of God thing. Throughout history religion and belief in God has stalled intelligence, growth of a human race, created a "me vs you" attitude. Of course this may be just an extension of human ignorance, but religion has been the forfront in this, breeding hatred. Of course many people have grown happier and actually became better people while believing in God. All I can say to this is, delusion can equate happiness. Denial that things are bad can make things look very good. But we've all been JW's, we know where this road leads.