I just wanted to start this thread to vent out about how I'm being forced to go to the District Assembly Convention bullcrap twice all 3 days and to get a little advice on how to get out of it. But mainly it would be interesting to know how other people got out of going to the meetings. Like acting sick, falling down and scraping your knee, different ways you got out of going to it.
Posts by Daunt
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19Going to hell... twice.
by Daunt ini just wanted to start this thread to vent out about how i'm being forced to go to the district assembly convention bullcrap twice all 3 days and to get a little advice on how to get out of it.
but mainly it would be interesting to know how other people got out of going to the meetings.
like acting sick, falling down and scraping your knee, different ways you got out of going to it.
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The Atheist's Book of Bible Stories - Ch. 1 - In the Beginning
by RunningMan inhere is the long awaited first chapter.
as always, a complete formatted copy can be obtained if you drop me your email address.
in the beginning.
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Daunt
Excellent read. Another thing that's always got me thinking is, why would God put human kind under such a punishment when our original parents didn't know ANYTHING about morality. They were never punished, they never felt bad conciquences with anything, and it's kind of hard to understand the concept of death when you've never saw it before. This is like holding a peice of candy infront of a baby and then wooping the baby if the baby takes it. Just farfetched to me.
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Embarrassed By Parents
by chris1525 inhopefully this will be a topic that gets you thinking and many persons will have funny stories to tell.
apologies if it's been done before but i'm new here.. .
my dad once gave a talk directed at the young persons in the cong.
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Embarrassed By Parents
by chris1525 inhopefully this will be a topic that gets you thinking and many persons will have funny stories to tell.
apologies if it's been done before but i'm new here.. .
my dad once gave a talk directed at the young persons in the cong.
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Daunt
This is not really public embarrassment, but it's more like, "OMG I can't believe these people are my parents" embarrassment.
I was searching through this fabulous art forum that I love dearly when my dad comes out of the kitchen and demands what I was looking at. Then he scrolled through this picture that I didn't even know or cared was there, http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v458/LightKirtar/Robo.jpg. This has made both of my parents ballistic and very scared about the devil being in their house. Constantly I am being pummeled with "The devil is in this house", or "There's nothing but dirty old men that wants to turn you into a terrible person because of this".
Now just a little background on that pic. It was made by a somewhat 20 year old drawing with a 14 year old in this program called Open Canvas. He was studying the human body and the only "sexual" things about it was because of a joke, now, that drawing has made my parents into paranoid JW evangelicals after it. If they believed it they'd spray this place with holy water. Just sad, so uninformative, yet hilariously funny. -
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I'm more sick of fanatism than religion. Just happens that religion has most of the fanatics. Nobody can claim exclusive knowledge over everything because frankly we're too dumb of a species to claim that. So being overtly annoying and fanatic about it just leads to problems of prejudice. Mysticism displaces a person outside of the real world, which is fanatism of itself. Usually since there aren't any obvious absolutes that suggest otherwise in your fantasy, you make the absolutes and it overshadows everything. There are plenty of social and natural absolutes in this universe, but for the most part a person's mind can learn so much that it's immpossible to claim lordship over everything. Just creates crazies. Man this is the non-religious rant thread x10. And I think I maybe related to Tetrapod and Terry.
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Comment at the meeting about "family not believing in Jehovah" anymore
by Jez ini grit my teeth, i tell you, i just grit them when i hear comments like this one.
this one guy in the kh has these lame ass comments all the time, and here is his latest, .
"we are sad about family that does not believe in jehovah anymore.
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Daunt
It's serious double speech. They'll act like the greatest individuals in the world when it's at the job or whatnot, then go behind the person's back and talk about how much they're going to die at armeggedon.
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Prove to me that God exists
by CinemaBlend ini need debate practice on the subject for the next time i'm cornered.
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Daunt
ah sorry for thinking that you like labels, i dislike them. But sure I wouldn't doubt that that happens, they leave the idea of God because they don't want to be behind the churches standards, but that does not mean those individuals do not have standards. For the most part, standards come from our interaction with each other and nature. Religion has kind of hijacked it saying that God created these standards and claiming that there are no alternatives. They may have lost God's standards but they didn't lose standards. So I agree with you to a point, but, these aren't even close to most of the atheists out there. Most of em just don't care.
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Prove to me that God exists
by CinemaBlend ini need debate practice on the subject for the next time i'm cornered.
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Daunt
Sorry for suggesting that you haven't been around many atheists. However, it would be good to look at most of the atheists you're talking about in more of a humanist position rather than a group atheists and non atheists. For the most part, most folks that would be classified as atheists just doesn't care. I don't feel it's fair for them to live up to some sort of position when they're just trying to be human, there are no guidelines or whatnot to be a human, they're just living their lives. Cool that you surround yourself by more non christians than christians, don't hear about that much.
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Prove to me that God exists
by CinemaBlend ini need debate practice on the subject for the next time i'm cornered.
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From hmike
“Now if science is willing to go this far, what makes the existence of God and heaven so incredible? Heaven could be one of those parallel universes, and spiritual beings the intelligent life form. It's seems strange what people are willing to believe--UFOs and extraterrestrial intelligent life, ghosts, psychic phenomena, Bigfoot and the Loch Ness monster--and not believe in the existence of God, or at least some kind of supreme being.”
Scientists aren't claiming the membrane theory and all these other theories to be absolute fact. Especially the theories involving multiple universes, even though there is some evidence for em. It could be heaven or what not but until you have some evidence for it all we can do is go by what we've experimented with, the possibility of multi-universes. Any good scientist wouldn't claim this to be absolute truth much like deists. They observe and they know, there's not too much believing in this. You're jumping the gun by thinking that testing and observing the possibility of alternative universes is comparable to beleif in God. One is blind, cannot be tested, does not give a hint of anything that makes it more valid than a fantasy book, and the other is hard tested fact.
You use observations and test things all through your life, that's how you learn and observe life. If you didn't you would still have the mentality of a baby. Now if we use the principles of mysticism for real life advancement of a child, we would have dire consequences. It just doesn't stand up to hardcore real life evidence.
“This brings me to the question of what kind of proof would be satisfactory to the skeptics? Suppose that Jesus himself ripped open the interdimensional door and revealed the host of heaven. Would some maintain that it's all an illusion, mass hallucination, or some other kind of deception? Would it be explained as something else? “
If he actually did this there would be no atheists, they would be considered irrational by being able to not prove that that instances just happened where Jesus showed himself to us. However, this is not the case, until then Jesus being the son of God and God existing is no more valid than Frodo saving middle earth, in our reality at least.
“ (1) They insist on a "closed" system in nature, that is, only things that conform to known physical laws are acceptable. Miracles are not possible because they violate the natural order of things--what is known and accepted. No influence from the outside can exist. (Related to that is, “It hasn't happened in my life or to anyone I know, therefore it doesn’t happen at all.”).
(2) Accepting the reality of the Biblical God means being accountable, and people want to live their lives the way they want ("We will not have this man king over us"). No God--no standards.
(3) The position that God isn't real is springs from emotional reasons--being hurt, deceived, or abused by Christians, a church or other organization, or from something they feel God did or didn't do that hurt or disappointed them: accident, death of a loved one, unanswered prayer... Any subsequent evidence against the existence of God is used to support or justify that position. “
I'm not going to argue about your experiences because I really do not know them, but however, these are somewhat prejudice and judgmental on atheists, especially if you're using this to judge the majority of atheists. Using the no God no Standards reasoning is no better intellectually than theists. We're bound by natural human laws everyday, (If you are too promiscuous without care for your health, you can get STDS, or if you punch a guy in the street you will get in a lot of trouble from other humans even in the most basic of civilizations). Ignoring these effects of human nature is living in a fantasy world.
Really I do not how much to argue about these statements other than, interact with more atheists and agnostics with an open mind.
“ There are some people who have chosen not to accept the existence of God for intellectual reasons. Far too much of the evidence for that position is taken as established fact when actually it is circumstantial, and even weak at that. “
Would like some examples of the established facts that are weak for an atheistic mentality. And would like some alternative that actually gives strong evidence. But really, God not having any observable interaction with this reality is fact enough. By the reasoning a lot of theists, not believing in at the possibility of an imaginary being is irrational, however this is way too loose to be grounded in. By this reasoning it would be stupid not to spend your whole life trying to bow down to Bigfoot, however I think that most would agree that this is idiotic. Well then why is the theists' mystical being anymore valid or important? Bigfoot could be the God of the universe, but everybody would agree that it's ignorant to spend your life bowing down to him (repeating for the sake of emphasis) -
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We got new light and didn't even notice it
by observador inis it not shocking to identify the ruling political powers with a wild beast?
moreover, why should anyone object to the bibles saying that it is satan who gives the wild beast its great authority?
god is the source of that statement, and before him the nations are as a drop from a bucket and as a film of dust.
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Daunt
It seems that the watchtower is lacking off in a lot of things. Only thing I've read that was really crazy weas the Keep on the Watch magazine. That magazine was pummeling me with the blatant cultism. But for the most part it seems tame to most things, usual rhetoric but softer.
