here is an interesting article by a local columnist that underscores the invalidity of the christian religion as god's chosen one.
it also casts serious doubt on the bible as well as jesus' originality.
this is really nothing new to those of us who have researched it.. http://www.sun-herald.com/newsarchive2/122301/cl2.htm?date=122301&story=cl2.htm.
I can just hear the people of ancient Egypt saying " Oh, all of those "so called" miracles Moses is doing is nothing new, our own magicians have been doing that stuff for years."
Borgfree
"You can fool some of the people all of the time" especially if you are a member of the WT GB
hi borgfree: on freefallins post you noted the following, i know there are some serving as elders etc.
who may be decent people apart from the wt.
however, the people they hurt by enforcing the wt doctrines are just as hurt as if done by an unloving elder.
Hi Amazing,
Sorry, I had left the computer for a while. I did not really have in mind an elder who would not enforce WT rules etc. I am thinking of the ones who might be very nice people, kind, generous, viewed by JWs and outsiders as a wonderful person, but, at the same time will enforce the WT orders on the witnesses, such as the blood ban or voting to disfellowship a fellow witness for some infraction. Their descisions affect peoples lives, sometimes severly, I know of a 20 year old JW who committed suicide.
When I personally was convinced that the WT was false, I prepared a DA letter, thinking that I would use it at some future time. Instead when I had completed it I found that I could not wait and mailed it immediately. Just a personal descision. Each of us must take that step in our own time.
I also was and am a strong believer in our God and our Lord Jesus, I never lost that. I kept my faith and later "gave my life to our Lord" I say that knowing many here think it is silly, but for me it is very real. I believe that when we give our life to our Lord that ALL of our wrongs that we have committed are forgiven. I have more than my share and am thankful for that forgiveness. Even the apostle Paul did serious wrongs before following Jesus.
We can only leave our past in the past and move on, we hope, to much better things. I do not wish to condemn any particular elder or JW, I have many in my family, including a son-in-law who is an elder. I pray almost every day for all of them, that their eyes will be opened to the lies of the WT. My prayer was answered less than a year ago when my 21 year old son left the WT and he also gave his life to our Lord. I had practically no contact with him from the time he was baptised in the WT, at about 13 years old.
I don't blame some for "playing the game" for a while, I know what it feels like to loose all of your family etc. I do not think that a "servant" can, with a good conscience, enforce rules on fellow witnesses that he has come to know to be bad and harmful.
Borgfree
"You can fool some of the people all of the time" especially if you are a member of the WT GB
confused.
was in the middle of sending out some last minute "seasons greetings," cards.
any way, he spoke of the events of the last year, how they were significant, about the brothers going to the trade center and offering comfort from the scriptures, while priests and ministers only offered water and towels, and about the change in subscription arrangement.
I know there are some serving as elders etc. who may be decent people apart from the WT. However, the people they hurt by enforcing the WT doctrines are just as hurt as if done by an unloving elder. The innocent children who refuse blood by listening to their parents AND the backing of the GOOD elders are just as dead. As long as these GOOD elders preach and enforce the terrible doctrines of the WT, then they are just as responsible for those wrongs as a bad elder.
Borgfree
"You can fool some of the people all of the time" especially if you are a member of the WT GB
confused.
was in the middle of sending out some last minute "seasons greetings," cards.
any way, he spoke of the events of the last year, how they were significant, about the brothers going to the trade center and offering comfort from the scriptures, while priests and ministers only offered water and towels, and about the change in subscription arrangement.
FreeFallin,
I have found over many years that the jw elders fit the description in the bible (below) than being true friends or brothers.
"For such men are false apostles - spurious, counterfeits - deceitful workmen, masquerading as apostles (special messengers) of Christ, the Messiah. And it is no wonder, for Satan himself masquerades as an angel of light, So it is not surprising if his servants also masquerade as ministers of righteousness. [But] their end will correspond with their deeds." 2 Cor. 11:13-15 Amplified Bible
Be careful.
Borgfree
"You can fool some of the people all of the time" especially if you are a member of the WT GB
i am yet another new member to the group because, surprise surprise, being a jw makes me miserable.
i have been raised in the "truth" and have been hating it for a very long time.
the congregation that i attend is a snake pit, full of judgemental, brain-washed witnesses who will report your every move.
Congratulations in advance BadAssociation. My son (21) left less than a year ago and I know he has been having a great time.
Borgfree
"You can fool some of the people all of the time" especially if you are a member of the WT GB
at which table are you feeding?.
you cannot be partaking of the table of jehovah and the table of demons.1 corinthians 10:21.. these inspired words of the apostle paul show that two figurative tables are set before mankind.
each table is identified by the kind of symbolic food placed upon it, and all of us are eating at one or the other.
Quote "13 Jesus said: “By their fruits you will recognize them.” (Matthew 7:16) What, now, are the fruits of the apostates and their publications? Four things mark their propaganda. (1) Cleverness. Ephesians 4:14 says that they are “cunning in contriving error.” (2) Prideful intelligence. (3) Lack of love. (4) Dishonesty in various forms. These are the very ingredients of the food that is on the table of demons, all of which is designed to undermine the faith of Jehovah’s people."
Sure sounds just like the Watchtower Organization that I grew to know and hate.
Borgfree
"You can fool some of the people all of the time" especially if you are a member of the WT GB
just wanted to see if this works!
gotta hide out -- right now the judicial committee is after me!
and everybody i know and love is a witness.
Pollyannabanana,
I thought much like you do when I left. However the bible promises that if you lose father, mother, houses etc., you will gain many times that, even in this system. I found that to be true. You can check with several sites that have ex-jw databases. Randy Watters, PFO Ministries, and others. There are probably ex's in your area.
Borgfree
"You can fool some of the people all of the time" especially if you are a member of the WT GB
calling all lost sheep!
it is not too late.
i have been an observer of this site for some time now.
JWMAN,
I do not think you are a JW either but I want to respond to two mistakes you made in your posts.
(1) Quote "I am now knocking at your door," you are trying to be like the WT in putting yourself in the place of our Lord Jesus. He said "I stand at the door and knock" It's a little dangerous to apply our Lords words to yourself. (the WT says "come to Jehovah's organization for salvation. The bible says salvation is found ONLY in Jesus Christ)
(2)Quote "Jehovah’s holy spirit can empower all who ask!" I believe that the WT teaches that you do not get the Holy Spirit unless you are one of the 144,000.
Borgfree (really free)
"You can fool some of the people all of the time" especially if you are a member of the WT GB
has anyone heard of peter barnes?
he used to be a co but apparently has left to start "praising the lord"?
i think he used to be in the uk but may have gone to the us?.
Peter Barnes is a true Jewel who escaped the WT. His ministry is "Out Of Darkness Into the Light Ministry" He is sponsored by Shadow Mountain Community Church, Inc. in El Cajon, California.
Borgfree
"You can fool some of the people all of the time" especially if you are a member of the WT GB
---> http://www.wfm.org/congress/index.html.
---> http://www.wfa.org/about/.
---> http://www.wfa.org/index.html.
Quote "To expect Christendom to actually proceed with making changes in its false doctrines, doctrines which she has preached for centuries upon centuries,"
That should be a big WAKE UP, Yadirf. While Christians have been preaching the SAME message for a couple of thousand years, the Watchtower Society has found it necessary to change THEIR message every week or two.
I think most posters on this board have examined the evidence on BOTH sides of the WT claims. I think I am probably right in guessing that you have not.
Please, read some of the vast amount of written material now available out there, showing why the WT claims of being some "special class" are not true. Your life depends on it.
Borgfree
"You can fool some of the people all of the time" especially if you are a member of the WT GB
