Posts by borgfree

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Abaddon - Re: WASPs

by borgfree in

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abaddon,.

i was going to answer your post in the thread where you posted but thought it better to not continue the discussion on that thread which was for a diferrent topic.. you say: quote: "yeah, all those wasp's working on railroads, and in restauraunts, and in poorly-paid factory jobs whilst the blacks, irish, polish, scandanavian, other non-anglo protestants, roman catholics and the latino's sat around in highly paid jobs benefitting from the sweat of the wasp's.... ... oh, no, sorry, it was the wasp's tending to sit around in highly paid jobs, whilst the roman catholics, blacks, irish, polish, scandanvians, other non-anglo protestants, and the latinos did the hard poorly paid jobs.... the wasp's built america?

like, yeah.

borgfree

Islandwoman,

I do not find a lot of disagreement with you. I really do not care that much about which man or what race was responsible for the history of this country. I am greatly offended however when I start hearing the PC garbage about "dead white Europeans" who only took advantage of some poor innocent people and got rich doing it.

There is NO innocent culture in human history. All nations and peoples have waged war on other people and have taken land, property, slaves, etc. from the defeated peoples.

The PC mantra for several decades now has been to demonize ALL white men, especially if they are also Christian and if they are "straight" that adds to the permissability of attacking them. That group, the white, Christian, straight, man is probably the only group that can be openly attacked without fear of reprisal.

While I feel that I am somewhat alone in my speaking up, I do not intend to let attacks and charges go unchallenged by whatever group or whatever purpose is promoted in those attacks.

I believe that most thinking people really know there are other sides to the claims of being "helddown", "downtrodden", "underpriviledged", etc. Some use such retoric simply to gain some kind of advantage without having to work for it.

Then there are the race "prostitutes" who build fortunes by advancing racial divisions and tensions. I wont name them, we all know who they are.

While you may cite people who promoted good ideas before the founding fathers of this country, I think that the earliest source of those ideas can be traced to the Christian bible. It is true that many atrocities were done by some claiming to be Christian. I think probably you would find atrocities also done by some in other religions.

While this country certainly has a very spotted past I still think it is the greatest country to ever exist and I do not see anything constructive in the constant attacks on either the country or the founders.

When I see some of the race prostitutes on TV attacking this country I would just like for some courageous TV reporter to ask them what country they think is doing a better job, and, if there is one, why do they not prefer to live there.

Borgfree

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Abaddon - Re: WASPs

by borgfree in

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abaddon,.

i was going to answer your post in the thread where you posted but thought it better to not continue the discussion on that thread which was for a diferrent topic.. you say: quote: "yeah, all those wasp's working on railroads, and in restauraunts, and in poorly-paid factory jobs whilst the blacks, irish, polish, scandanavian, other non-anglo protestants, roman catholics and the latino's sat around in highly paid jobs benefitting from the sweat of the wasp's.... ... oh, no, sorry, it was the wasp's tending to sit around in highly paid jobs, whilst the roman catholics, blacks, irish, polish, scandanvians, other non-anglo protestants, and the latinos did the hard poorly paid jobs.... the wasp's built america?

like, yeah.

borgfree

Abaddon,

I believe America was founded by the English, French, and some others from Europe.

If it is my background that is in question, my grandmother (on my mothers side) was full blooded English her husband, my grandfather was mostly English with a little Irish, Scot Irish. My fathers side was a large mixture.

Borgfree

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Abaddon - Re: WASPs

by borgfree in

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abaddon,.

i was going to answer your post in the thread where you posted but thought it better to not continue the discussion on that thread which was for a diferrent topic.. you say: quote: "yeah, all those wasp's working on railroads, and in restauraunts, and in poorly-paid factory jobs whilst the blacks, irish, polish, scandanavian, other non-anglo protestants, roman catholics and the latino's sat around in highly paid jobs benefitting from the sweat of the wasp's.... ... oh, no, sorry, it was the wasp's tending to sit around in highly paid jobs, whilst the roman catholics, blacks, irish, polish, scandanvians, other non-anglo protestants, and the latinos did the hard poorly paid jobs.... the wasp's built america?

like, yeah.

borgfree

Abaddon,

I was going to answer your post in the thread where you posted but thought it better to not continue the discussion on that thread which was for a diferrent topic.

You say: Quote: "Yeah, all those WASP's working on railroads, and in restauraunts, and in poorly-paid factory jobs whilst the Blacks, Irish, Polish, Scandanavian, other non-Anglo Protestants, Roman Catholics and the Latino's sat around in highly paid jobs benefitting from the sweat of the WASP's...

... oh, no, sorry, it was the WASP's tending to sit around in highly paid jobs, whilst the Roman Catholics, Blacks, Irish, Polish, Scandanvians, other non-Anglo Protestants, and the Latinos did the hard poorly paid jobs...

The WASP's built America? Like, YEAH. Learn your countries history!!!"

I think it is you who need some real history lessons. If you have read American history then I think you must be reading the new "politically correct" "revisionist history'

Of course there were rich white men in this country. What do you suppose this country would be like today if all of those white men who came to this country slipped across the borders without a dime to their names and at once started living off of the "taxpayers"

I grew up in the 1940s and 1950s, I saw with my own eyes many of the things that are now being twisted and distorted to add to the claim that white men rode the backs of all of those wonderful "minorities"

Maybe you are of the crowd that believes all business and businessmen are evil. Those white men who owned businesses ran their businesses well, that is how many of them got rich. They also provided jobs, that is how many "minorities" went from poverty to riches or middle class incomes.

Those same white men wrote the constitution, bill of rights, "equal opportunity laws" HA! and all of the other laws that now elevate "minorities" over the descendants of the builders of this country. Instead of these WASPs being praised for everything they have done to further the advancement of "minorities" (by the way, these so called minorities are only minority in this country. By far they are not minority in the world) so instead of being appreciated for their efforts those same WASPs are being demonized.

Even NOW, at age 63, I will do the work (physical) of two or three of the minorities in our workforce. I am in management but many times I must do, as most managers will, the work, when we are short on help etc. I have been in the workforce all of my life and my doing the work of two or three minoroties is not an exception, it is the rule.

My father worked all of his life at manual labor, so did my mother. My mother worked mostly as a waitress to provide for her family after my father left the home. She worked 10 - 12 hours every day, NO handouts from taxpayers or any place else.

I saw all of my family work very hard all of their lives to gain whatever they wanted in life. NO government mandates to give them what others worked for. Some of my family worked hard to build businesses, I guess then they became part of that evil WASP group getting ahead on the backs of "minorities?

It is not my desire to argue race, but I know what I personally saw during my life and I am seeing history being lied about so that "minorities" can feel "superior" in some way. I will not be a part of it and I will not accept the blame for some imagined, or otherwise, wrongs done to "minorities".

As I said in a previous post, I am VERY proud to be a WASP, I will not hang my head in shame to please the politically correct liars of today. I might add, my ancestry includes American Indian, and a variety of other nationalities, however I do not consider myself a /American. I am American, period.

Borgfree

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Ministers in Skirts an anadotal reply to AC

by clash_city_rockers in

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i found this great anadotal piece from my friends doug wilson and doug jones at cradenda agenda http://www.credenda.org/.

so here it is.. ministers in skirts.

by douglas wilson.

borgfree

Islandwoman,

Quote: "It of course comes as no surprise that here in America all of these efforts also serve to keep the male WASPs in control!"

You make that statement as though it is an insult to white people. So just what is wrong with "WASPs" being in control?

Does it bother you a lot that black people are in control in Africa? or that Japanese people are in control in Japan or that Arabs are in control in Araq, Iran, UAR, etc. etc.

I think that those "EVIL" "WASPs" have built the greatest country to ever exist.

Would you like to compare the American "WASP" established freedoms, religious activity, treatment of women, and everything else that you can think of with Africa, the Arab countries, Japan, etc.?

I am very happy and proud to be a WASP, whether it is politically correct or not.

Borgfree

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My interview with Jehovah's Witnesses

by Danni in

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i know i said i wouldn't post here again because of the way i made everyone upset over alanf,but i thought you all might want to know what took place and i do need some advice.. .

yesterday i took a little time out to talk with jehovah's witnesses.

at first they were more than happy to answer my questions.

borgfree

Danni,

Quote: "I don't mean to tell you my problems on the job. But sometimes someon can just push you the wrong way...."

Why not? I think that is what we all do sometimes. I for one am glad to read what you wish to share.

Borgfree

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My Disassociation Letter - Should I post it ?

by alliwannadoislive in

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friends,.

i posted a question in november on whether i should da - and i got a surprising level of response - i was also swayed towards not 'playing the wt game'.. however, i feel i want closure.. please see below the letter i have just finished writing - i plan to post it later this week, but would like to know your opinions:.

1) should i send it - yes or no.

borgfree

Hi alliwannadoislive,

I like your letter. When I da'ed myself I was not interested in following WT rules or acknowledging any authority of the WT, I wanted to totally separate myself from an organization that I had come to realize was false, destructive, deceptive, power hungry, hateful, etc.

I left behind in the WT almost all of my family and whatever friends I had in the WT. Family included four daughters, one son, five grandchildren, three sisters, their children and grandchildren and more.

I thought that if I stayed in the organization my family may never have reason to doubt the teachings of the cult. By leaving I hoped to try to get through to them with facts. It is extremely slow but after about nine years my son questioned the WT and researched it, then left. I am encouraged by some other happenings in my family (I will not mention because of JWs reading this) I look forward to the day when EVERY one of my family is out of that destructive cult. I really believe it will happen.

My sons letter contained a warning to the WT that if they made attempts to smear his name he might bring legal action against them.

Just my thoughts.

Borgfree

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how do you stop crying......

by flower in

when you start reading rays book and find out that everything you know to be factual, the only constant, solid, truth in the universe is just nothing?

i've known this in my head since i started reading posts here on xmas day but i have never really believed it.

i thought i just wanted to believe it so that i could rid myself of some of this guilt i've always carried around.

borgfree

Hi Rhett,

I think Evansville is about 3 or 4 hours from here. I live in Ohio just a little east of the Indiana line. I grew up in the Richmond, Indiana congregation. Was in Indianapolis and Chicago for a few years a long time ago.

Borgfree

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how do you stop crying......

by flower in

when you start reading rays book and find out that everything you know to be factual, the only constant, solid, truth in the universe is just nothing?

i've known this in my head since i started reading posts here on xmas day but i have never really believed it.

i thought i just wanted to believe it so that i could rid myself of some of this guilt i've always carried around.

borgfree

Flower,

Speaking only for myself (but I know others have done the same) I decided that I would use my anger/hurt etc. against the WT, not in violence or anything like that.

I bought a new answering machine and put messages on it to warn people about the WT teachings (you can get some prerecorded ones from Randy Watters) I put ads in the paper, I (along with a partner) put a booth at our county fair with literature (free)exposing the WT. I demonstrated at NY Headquarters and at WT conventions, etc., etc. Those sorts of things helped me a lot and also helped other people.

Borgfree

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You Know a Spiritual Coward

by AlanF in

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here is another unequivocal example of a claim of direct inspiration: in the olin moyle court case of 1943, fred franz said under oath that no man is the editor of the watchtower.

who, then, is the editor?

who became the editor?

borgfree

thewiz,

You say - Quote: "Also, why do many here keep spending time in the distant past. "The society used to teach this and the society used to teach that..." how long is that excuse going to last."

"Those who will not learn from the past are condemned to repeat it" (Santana (I think))

I remember many years ago when the WT condemned other religions because of their (other religions) roots or foundation. If the WT can condemn others because of their past then it is only right and proper for the WT to have those same standards used against them.

Also I do not believe that a false prophet can EVER suddenly become a true prophet. I do not see anywhere in the bible where God decided to forgive a false prophet and then use that false prophet as a true prophet.

Borgfree

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You Know a Spiritual Coward

by AlanF in

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here is another unequivocal example of a claim of direct inspiration: in the olin moyle court case of 1943, fred franz said under oath that no man is the editor of the watchtower.

who, then, is the editor?

who became the editor?

borgfree

YouKnow,

I think you are where many of us were when we first started having doubts about the organization. I think you are indeed on your way out. I congratulate you ahead of time, and for thinking independently.

Borgfree