I recommend this book. I hope the link takes you there. It is The Case For Christ by Lee Strobel.
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"Without knowledge there can be no genuine faith--only superstition on the one hand or speculation on the other" Robert Banks
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did jesus really exist??
by master chief ini wonder if jesus did exist?i just wanted to know if having faith that he did is enough,i mean i like to have you know concrete proof about things and there isnt much proof he existed except that in the bible,maybe he was just another wannabe prophet,just think what people believe in today like faith healers they supposedly have healing powers,believers claim to be healed then later resume back to there normal condition etc etc.
is it all in there mind and they want it to be real they believe it so much that they think there cured even though there not you see wat im getting at people might of thought about jesus the same way like maybe looking for a hope in this healer or prophet and then claiming to be better because they were maybe over emotional about jesus.
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by borgfree ini hope i am not repeating a post.. .
eastie man held in wife's strangling .
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I hope I am not repeating a post.
Eastie man held in wife's strangling
by Dave Wedge
Saturday, February 2, 2002A nasty custody battle and divorce turned deadly in East Boston when a city tow truck driver strangled his wife with a necktie and then fled to a New Hampshire ski resort where the couple vacationed and tried to kill himself, officials and sources said.
``He just wanted to stay in the house with his kids,'' said a close friend of Kevin Hensley. ``I think it just got too overwhelming for him and he didn't know what to do and this is what happened.''
Hensley, a 55-year-old Boston Transportation Department employee, allegedly strangled his wife, Nancy, in the family's Byron Street home Thursday afternoon. The couple, who have four kids, were in the midst of a bitter divorce that began just three weeks ago when Nancy Hensley, 45, tossed her husband out of the house and got a restraining order against him.
According to police, the couple's oldest daughter made the grim discovery in the basement of the home around 2:15 p.m. and called 911, saying that her mother was unconscious and her head was covered. A source said Hensley was strangled with a necktie. Kevin Hensley, described by friends and neighbors as a hard-working father, was not at the home when police arrived. Thursday night, Waterville Valley police officers found Hensley unconscious in his wife's 2000 Buick LeSabre. A source said he attached a hose to the exhaust pipe and stuffed it in the window in an apparent suicide attempt.
He was taken to a local hospital where he recovered and was arrested by New Hampshire state police on a Bay State warrant charging him with his wife's slaying. He was ordered held without bail after a hearing yesterday in Plymouth (N.H.) District Court. He is due back in that court Feb. 28 but prosecutors hope to bring him back to Massachusetts sooner to face the murder charges, Suffolk County District Attorney's Office spokesman David Procopio said.
Kevin Hensley's friend, who didn't want his name used, said the couple used to vacation at the New Hampshire ski resort.
``Waterville Valley was a place where he and Nancy would go in happier times,'' the friend said. ``He just went there and was trying to remember the happy times.''
The friend said Hensley was ``embarrassed'' when he was served with a restraining order last month at work. He described the Hensleys as ``the perfect couple'' and said they ``fought no more than anyone else.''
In court papers, Nancy Hensley claimed her husband was ``violent,'' verbally abusive and once punched a hole in a wall. She also said he recently spied on her at a local gym, sporting a phony beard and sunglasses.
``I was at Bally's and he was there in disguise, with a fake beard and sunglasses, stalking me for 45 minutes,'' she wrote in a court affidavit obtained by the Herald. ``Then he seen (sic) me speaking with someone for 3 minutes and he came over and verbally abused me and left. I stayed out for a while going food shopping because I was afraid to go home.''
She also alleged that he violated the restraining order several times by going to the Byron Street home. The divorce and a motion to extend the restraining order were still pending but the case was moved out of Suffolk County to Middlesex County because Nancy Hensley's sister worked as a secretary for the Suffolk judge assigned to the case, court papers show.
Kevin Hensley's friend said Nancy Hensley was a recently converted Jehovah's Witness and claimed that ``someone was guiding her in this (divorce).''
Neighbors yesterday said the Hensleys appeared to be a happy family. Nancy Hensley often jogged and rode bicycles with their daughters, ages 20 and 10, while Kevin Hensley shot hoops and worked on the house with their sons, ages 17 and 6.
Nancy Hensley, who was unemployed, was recalled by one female relative yesterday as a ``good mother.'' Alice Norton, the Hensleys' 81-year-old wheelchair-bound neighbor, called Nancy Hensley a ``beautiful person'' who often stopped by to check on her. ``She was a lovely, lovely lady,'' Norton said. ``They're very nice people. I'm just shocked that this happened.''
David Weber contributed to this report.
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Parable of wheat and weeds
by HenryP ini have been wondering the meaning of this parable.
i know what jehovah's witnesses believe it is, but is there another interpretation?
i found this article on it:.
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Yadirf,
My experiences have been that the organization has been the one spitting in my face, as far back as I can remember.
I believed the WT was God's only channel to mankind etc. I believed it for a very long time. It was only after that famous last straw that I decided to really do research to determine if the WT was truely speaking for god, only then by comparing what the WT teaches, with what the bible really says, and what bible scholars say, did I realize that the teachings of Jehovah's Witnesses were false.
I do not know if you have done any research, other than WT publications, or not. I think you are probably like my JW family. They have told me I should return to Jehovah's organization, but, I ask them this question, "I have studied BOTH sides of the Watchtower teachings, and claims, and I know both sides, have you?" If not, then how can you be in any position to tell someone that you have the correct answers?
You simply cannot.
I think you assume that I know better than to believe the way I do. The fact is that I know better than to believe the way the JWs do. I do really hope that you will seriously consider an honest investigation of your beliefs.
It is hard to do, I always thought that Jehovah knew my thoughts and that He would be very angry if I even considered thinking that the WT teachings could be wrong. I came to realize that truth can stand any test, only falsehood must hide from examination.
The scripture that changed everything for me was Deuteronomy 18:20-22. I knew that during my lifetime the WT had made prophecies, call them whatever you want, they are still prophecies, and that every last one of those prophecies proved to be false. I read God's words telling me NOT to fear the Watchtower as they were false prophets. From that point on I started on a course of truely KNOWING God, not having a knowledge of God, Satan and the demons have a KNOWLEDGE of God.
I wish the same thing for you, that you come to know God.
Borgfree
"Without knowledge there can be no genuine faith--only superstition on the one hand or speculation on the other" Robert Banks
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I kicked the Borg out!
by target insometimes our recovery depends a lot on how we percieve the events that took place.
over the years i felt like the victim so many times and until i couldn't take it anymore and i "left".
i suddenly realized that i didn't go anywhere.
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Target,
Looks like you learned to be the pigeon. Congratulations!
Borgfree
"Without knowledge there can be no genuine faith--only superstition on the one hand or speculation on the other" Robert Banks
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Parable of wheat and weeds
by HenryP ini have been wondering the meaning of this parable.
i know what jehovah's witnesses believe it is, but is there another interpretation?
i found this article on it:.
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Yadirf,
You stated:
Of course it makes you "proud" (that's no surprise). That's because you've returned to the slop you were slurping up and wallowing in before you ever heard of the WTS, Borgfree. The saying of the true proverb has happened to YOU: "The sow that was bathed has returned to rolling in the mire."
Yadirf, I was born into the cult, I cannot RETURN to slurping the slop unless I would be crazy enough to return to the Watchtower teachings, I am not THAT crazy.Again you said:
Your attributing the enjoyment of certain freedoms to men having fought and died, makes you an IDOLOTER. You've as good as said that you didn't have the right to such freedoms except that MEN gave them to you.
Yadirf, I know where everything comes from, "the Father of celestial lights" The father allows humans to work/fight for their food/safety.You said:
Or did you ever even study the Bible?
Yadirf, I do not know about you but I had never read the bible all of the way through, as one of Jehovah's Witnesses. Since leaving the JWs I have read it through more than once, and will continue to read it front to back each year, as long as God permits. I have never known a JW to read the entire bible. I do not mean that in a bragging way, but I am a little familiar with the bible.Thank you for your kind words Yadirf. May the God of the bible open your eyes.
Borgfree
"Without knowledge there can be no genuine faith--only superstition on the one hand or speculation on the other" Robert Banks
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SEX, LIES, DEMONS, & APOSTASY
by You Know inthe issue is as old as eden itself, that being: does god have the right to tell us what to do?
that core question, more than anything else, defines what jehovahs witnesses are about, in that we are outspoken advocates and supporters of jehovahs right as sovereign to require obedience from his creatures.
the flip side of that is, of course, rebellion against god, which is expressed in numerous ways and on all levels of society.
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Sunstarr,
If I remember correctly, my parents believed that Armageddon would come in 1975. Does that mean that most of my life was devoted to rebelling against rebels?
Yes.I guess I'm going to hell (i.e. hades/sheol - the grave).
Some people think NY is hell.Borgfree
"Without knowledge there can be no genuine faith--only superstition on the one hand or speculation on the other" Robert Banks
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SEX, LIES, DEMONS, & APOSTASY
by You Know inthe issue is as old as eden itself, that being: does god have the right to tell us what to do?
that core question, more than anything else, defines what jehovahs witnesses are about, in that we are outspoken advocates and supporters of jehovahs right as sovereign to require obedience from his creatures.
the flip side of that is, of course, rebellion against god, which is expressed in numerous ways and on all levels of society.
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You Know, you said:
Can there be any doubt that God’s word identifies the present generation of children, many of whom were who were brought up in the truth, as we say, but who rebelled against the faith of their parents,
My parents joined the WT around 1922, they were taught by the WT to worship Jesus, celebrate Christmas, believe that Charles T Russell was THE Faithful and Discreet Slave, blood transfusions were OK, Jehovah lived on Alcione in the Pleiades constellation, a black person could become white if they prayed long enough, you could tell how intellegent a person was by the size and shape of their heads, the "faithful men of old" would be resurrected in 1925, etc., etc., etc.Are you saying that I should have those same beliefs now to qualify as an acceptable servant of Jehovah? Or, should I, and, are you, rebelling against those JW beliefs?
Borgfree
"Without knowledge there can be no genuine faith--only superstition on the one hand or speculation on the other" Robert Banks
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Dear Robert
by Mann indear robert, i have done quiet a lot of research into the jw's doctrines.
you see; i had to make an important decision on where i stood as far as jw's are concerned.this chat site was very helpful.
i have taken the most controversial members ( lol there are only three of you)from this site, in opposition to eachother and used your arguments and reasongings to "help" make my mind over on what i would do.. the thing that struck me most about your arguments were: you kept giving glory to jehovah and his son, you used scriptures to back up your points (glad you didn't give out where to find those scriptures) you didn't make excuses for the wtbs errors, and misdeeds, and the most important point was your pointing out that jehovah himself will judge and spank his own people.
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Mann, you said:
You came in here and insulted me and expected me to give you a respectful answer? Are you that damn stupid.? Respect is a two way street, if you want it give it, I don't owe your sorry ass a damn thing.
Jesus said,"All things, therefore,that you want men to do to you, you also must likewise do to them; this, in fact is what the Law and the Prophets mean."
Matthew 7:12 NWTBorgfree
"Without knowledge there can be no genuine faith--only superstition on the one hand or speculation on the other" Robert Banks
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Parable of wheat and weeds
by HenryP ini have been wondering the meaning of this parable.
i know what jehovah's witnesses believe it is, but is there another interpretation?
i found this article on it:.
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Christendom is comprised of "individual people who seem [claim] to be Christian, but are not." These, individually and as multi-denominational groups, condone warfare between nations, as shown in the picture I keep rubbing your nose in.
You seem to have problems understanding that the WORLD is comprised of "individual people" just as the parable says. The world is the field. If you want to argue with Jesus, help yourself, it is clear that Jesus said the world would be filled with good seed and there would be weeds sown into the field of good wheat by the devil. Still, no BIG Watchtower printing plant, in that parable, anywhere.
As far as "rubbing my nose" in that picture, you again misunderstand, the picture makes me PROUD. You and other JWs enjoy the freedoms that those men fight and die for, then you ridicule them and the Pastor who blesses them! I know you are deceived and blinded, but it is time for you to wake up!
Borgfree
"Without knowledge there can be no genuine faith--only superstition on the one hand or speculation on the other" Robert Banks
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Parable of wheat and weeds
by HenryP ini have been wondering the meaning of this parable.
i know what jehovah's witnesses believe it is, but is there another interpretation?
i found this article on it:.
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Matthew 13:37-39 NWT
(37)In response he said: "The sower of the fine seed is the Son of Man; (38) the field is the world; as for the fine seed, these are the sons of the kingdom; but the weeds are the sons of the wicked one (39) and the enemy that sowed them is the Devil. The harvest is a conclusion of a system of things, and the reapers are angels.(40)...."
Note that He, referring to Jesus, is not capitalized in the NWT.
"...the field is the WORLD;...the FINE SEED, ..are the SONS OF THE KINGDOM; ..the WEEDS are the SONS OF THE WICKED ONE...."
The field is the WORLD, not an organization. The seed are SONS OF THE KINGDOM. I do not see Watchtower or 144,000 there anyplace.
The WEEDS are SONS OF THE WICKED ONE. No mention of an organization, Christendom, etc. These are individual people who seem to be Christian, but are not.
Classes, divisions of people in organizations, numbering those of the kingdom, etc. are all inventions of The Watchtower Society, and are some of the reasons for the WT being a false prophet.
Borgfree
"Without knowledge there can be no genuine faith--only superstition on the one hand or speculation on the other" Robert Banks