Posts by Jaypeeto

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The Bible Students as a Healthy Alternative

by jgnat in

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for some exiting jw's, they are "true believers" as far as some of the key doctrines of the wtbts are concerned, but they feel trapped in an organization that seems far removed from its original principles.. do you think the bible students are a relatively healthy alternative to the wts machine?.

Jaypeeto

The JWs consider the Bible Students as the "evil slave class." Be that as it may, they are nonetheless basically JWs without all the organizationalism. Why go for another sect? Why not read the New Testament by yourself, and read the writings of the Early Church Fathers from 90 to 300 A.D.? Doing that, you'll find out what the early apostolic church actually believed, and once you've done that, no other sect or cult can ever fool you again. God bless and have a great day! Love, Jaypeeto

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Only Jehovah's Witnesses

by Yvonne A in

i'm just new to this internet stuff and am studying with the jehovah's witnesses at present.please don't take my lack of knowledge as cheek.

i just want to know if it's meant to be only jehovah's witnesses using this site.

i fully intend to become baptised but was wondering if there's any security to prevent people who shouldn't be using the site and are maybe abusing it from doing so.

Jaypeeto

Welcome Yvonne !! You will find many interesting people here, all with different experiences and different points of view. I myself am an ex-JW and am now a happy Catholic. There is a lot of good info on this forum. I'd echo some of the other folk's here's advice: be very careful and studious before you commit to the JW religion. It is not what it seems, and I can tell you in all honesty that it is not what it claims to be, namely, a revival of the faith of the early Christian church. The early Christians had never even heard of the doctrines the JW's teach. The JWs claim that the early church was a JW organization which slowly apostasized after the death of the last apostle. But a reading of the early church fathers reveals that nobody, and I do mean NObody, in the early Christian church, ever held to the unique doctrines held by today's Jehovah's Witnesses, so there really was no apostasy.

Enjoy your time here & God bless you,

Love, Jaypeeto

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X-JW , X-Mormon & More OR: Around the World's Religions in 60 Years!

by Rod P in

hi people!

i am new here, but started out on the topic of "high rates of depression in org.

" there are 3 posts, one of which has been pasted below on my new thread.

Jaypeeto

I too got involved with the Mormons (actually got baptized by them) for several months before eventually becoming a Christian. Nice people, but I just couldn't stomach the doctrine that God the father has a flesh & bones body AND a heavenly literal WIFE up there, from whom our spirits were all born before we came to earth to get a body. Also couldn't take the teaching that God the Father (Elohim) actually came down to earth and, well, fertilized the Virgin Mary so that Jesus was eventually born. I'll say this for them, they are a much more charitable organization than the Witnesses ever will be. Love, Jaypeeto

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1975 and all that

by helios in

i well recall the husband of my sister-law telling us the most earth shattering news.

this was around 1973 and 1975 fever was starting to take over many individuals.

with breathless excitement he told us the follow story.

Jaypeeto

I wasn't a baptized dub in '75, but I was around the dubs very much, and I was really freaking out. I fully expected Armageddon to start in 1975. Dubs going house to house were known to say, regarding "goats," that "right, right, DON'T listen to me, but after Armageddon, I'M gonna be living in THEIR house..."

Jaypeeto

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Suppose Brooklyn Changed The Rules On Disfellowshipping?

by Englishman in

suppose the society "adjusted their thinking" on the matter of disfellowshipping.

would you still feel so angry with the witnesses?

it occurs to me that df'ing is the bottom line when it comes to being obedient.

Jaypeeto

I wouldn't go back now, even if they did relax the shunning rules. I've done too much studying and research, and I know that they are a false and dangerous group, as one other poster put it. You couldn't pay me to go back. Love, Jaypeeto

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Reinstatement procedure

by Pebbles RC in

does anyone out there know the procedure to being reinstated?

i have been df'd for almost 5 years now and i'm considering... possibly getting reinstated.

however, i have been to a few meetings in the last few weeks and i am constantly ignored (i thought the elders were allowed to talk to me... there are at least 10 elders) also, i enquired about getting a bible study and was told that i could not have a bible study because df'd people do not get studied with.

Jaypeeto

Dear Friend, all I can say to you as one who was DF'd and shunned and gradually came to have my eyes opened by the Truth, ...is PLEASE, for your own sake, PLEASE do not go back to that organization. It is a complete fraud and it is NOT of God. May the Lord bless you along your way and help you make the right decision. Love, Jaypeeto

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This is for ones not born in the truth

by vitty in

jw
friends

how long did it take for you to revert back to your old ways of thinking, reasoning and attitudes from before you were a witnes .

eg i lived with my husband before we got married, then learned it was wrong.

now i see so many witness getting married too young (cos they want sex) that i dont think its such a bad idea.

Jaypeeto

My gosh, Stephanie!! Your comment about being uncomfortable saying Bless You to somebody has really brought back a memory for me from my Dub Days. I was taught that saying "God Bless You" to someone who sneezed was "displeasing to Jehovah." Nonetheless, I was in the habit of saying it, and one night at the Kingdom Hall this Sister sneezed really hard and I quickly said, God bless you. And people looked at me like I had just unleashed a bevy of demons!!! How silly !!

Love,

Jaypeeto

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Does The Thought of Being Disfellowshipped Bother You?

by minimus in

jw
friends

is it realy the worst thing one can go through?

are you afraid of it??

has being disfellowshipped actually turned into a "blessing"?

Jaypeeto

When I was first disfellowshiped in 1983, I was utterly devastated. And angry. I was suffering from severe depression at the time, and I was trying, albeit unsuccessfully, to "repent". The elders didn't care. They told me bluntly, "the congregation is more important than one person." And they told me, if you want to come back, fine, and if you don't want to come back, it's up to you. What a bunch of jerks. They knew my situation, they were just as callous as callous can be. On the whole, however, disfellowshiping was the best thing that ever happened to me. It led ultimately to a restoration of my faith in Christ and, eventually, to the peace of mind I have today over spiritual things. I am a happy, contented Catholic.

Love,
Jaypeeto

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Jw view please

by A Paduan in

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if your right eye causes you to sin, pluck it out

what does this mean to jws ?

Jaypeeto

I was taught that it was just a hyperbolic way of saying avoid sin at all costs, and avoid promixate occasions of sin. I still agree with that interpretation.

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Have you re-read the bible since leaving the Kingdom Hall?

by Eyebrow2 in

i always wanted to re-read the bible after i left the org; to be able to read it without having to feel like i had to apply something, or to have to read it out of obedience, etc.... well, i have always liked the new world translation, i know it isn't perfect, but i think it is better than some.

but i have always wanted to get a different modern english translation, and read that.

well, i finally picked up a new international version at wal-mart the other day...under $6, what a bargain.. started last night, and finished genesis today, and am just starting into exodous.

Jaypeeto

I've read the bible repeatedly since deciding the organization was a fraud. I've also read books which attack the bible and/or question it's validity just to be fair to the nonbelieving viewpoint. When all is said and done, I still believe the Bible to be the word of God, and moreover, reading it prayerfully and without Watchtower "study aids," I find that it upholds the doctrines of Traditional Christianity and not Watchtowerism.