since finding out more about the wtbts over the last year, it has come as no surprise to me anymore that the deceptive actions of the mother (wtbts) are seen in some of her children.
the need for double thinking, self deluding beliefs and sneaky, twisted belief and thought patterns that i have noticed over the years in so many jws suddenly makes sense and is no longer scandalising or suprising.. so when i was told of the behaviour of a 'fine, upstanding, pillar of the community, brother' i simply shrugged.
however, the results of his behaviour are not something to simply shrug your shoulders over.. it turned out for the last thirty years of his being married he has conducted affairs with another two 'sisters' in the congregation.
This is for Danny.
Here's a picture of me and my friends. This picture was taken years back when we came back from a trip from Lake Geneva, WI. My friends are not JW, so on our way back I said hey let's stop at this KH and take a picture in front of their sign. We all agreed on it and we did it.
By the way, I'm the one in the middle.
since finding out more about the wtbts over the last year, it has come as no surprise to me anymore that the deceptive actions of the mother (wtbts) are seen in some of her children.
the need for double thinking, self deluding beliefs and sneaky, twisted belief and thought patterns that i have noticed over the years in so many jws suddenly makes sense and is no longer scandalising or suprising.. so when i was told of the behaviour of a 'fine, upstanding, pillar of the community, brother' i simply shrugged.
however, the results of his behaviour are not something to simply shrug your shoulders over.. it turned out for the last thirty years of his being married he has conducted affairs with another two 'sisters' in the congregation.
Post your real name & pic and see if they don't harrass you watchtower leaders are the control freaks with a mean streak-Danny Haszard Bangor Maine
Actually the day I walked out I was in the back room having a meeting with all the elders in my KH. That's when I told them how I felt and that I didn't have time to give talks, go out in service or be the accountant for the congregation. They all know me and know that I won't put up with their bull. That was the last time I spoke with them, since then they haven't tried to contact me or DF'ed me. My mother still goes to the same KH and I still see a couple of brothers and sisters and I have no problem speaking with them, we speak they even invite me over.
how do you keep them from bothering you?
Just walk away and leave attending meetings without telling anyone. The local elders might call to check up on why you haven't been attending meetings or reporting time, just tell them you've been very busy with work and life in general and hang up.
since finding out more about the wtbts over the last year, it has come as no surprise to me anymore that the deceptive actions of the mother (wtbts) are seen in some of her children.
the need for double thinking, self deluding beliefs and sneaky, twisted belief and thought patterns that i have noticed over the years in so many jws suddenly makes sense and is no longer scandalising or suprising.. so when i was told of the behaviour of a 'fine, upstanding, pillar of the community, brother' i simply shrugged.
however, the results of his behaviour are not something to simply shrug your shoulders over.. it turned out for the last thirty years of his being married he has conducted affairs with another two 'sisters' in the congregation.
So it was the WTS who forced her to have an affair and loose all her family? I can see how emotional distress can cause problems but the root of the problem was cause by something they chose to do. Don't want to loose your family, don't have affair with married men. I think that's pretty clear in itself.
since finding out more about the wtbts over the last year, it has come as no surprise to me anymore that the deceptive actions of the mother (wtbts) are seen in some of her children.
the need for double thinking, self deluding beliefs and sneaky, twisted belief and thought patterns that i have noticed over the years in so many jws suddenly makes sense and is no longer scandalising or suprising.. so when i was told of the behaviour of a 'fine, upstanding, pillar of the community, brother' i simply shrugged.
however, the results of his behaviour are not something to simply shrug your shoulders over.. it turned out for the last thirty years of his being married he has conducted affairs with another two 'sisters' in the congregation.
All I'm saying is that people usually attempt suicide to block unbearable emotional pain, which is caused by a variety of problems. It's often a cry for help. A person attempting suicide is often so distressed that they are unable to see that they have other options. Ultimately its the person who chooses they're own destiny. Each of us is responsible for our own actions and life choices. That's the part that I'm talking about, personal choices. If a person chooses suicide over trying to get their life together then the root of the problem lies within that indiviual and not being able to handle the stress.
So what if people you knew in the KH don't talk to you anymore, get new friends. This does not only happen in an organization its called human life. I've had good friends that thru the years something happened and they've become angry at me for whatever reason. I'm not going to commit suicide, I just move on. I just don't see the whole 'blame big brother for everything bad that's been happening to me'.
since finding out more about the wtbts over the last year, it has come as no surprise to me anymore that the deceptive actions of the mother (wtbts) are seen in some of her children.
the need for double thinking, self deluding beliefs and sneaky, twisted belief and thought patterns that i have noticed over the years in so many jws suddenly makes sense and is no longer scandalising or suprising.. so when i was told of the behaviour of a 'fine, upstanding, pillar of the community, brother' i simply shrugged.
however, the results of his behaviour are not something to simply shrug your shoulders over.. it turned out for the last thirty years of his being married he has conducted affairs with another two 'sisters' in the congregation.
Out of the situation I related to you, a woman killed herself because ultimately she was disfellowshiped and lost EVERYONE. What organization can do that to you? Even the prison system allows contact, communication, letters, visits etc....but NOT Jehovah's organization! Makes you wonder!
All I can say is that the organization did not do that to her. She did it to herself. Tons of people die every day because of suicide, what's the root of that? Some evil corporation or the feelings of stress of the individual. I guess I just don't see where they claim to be perfect in everything they do unlike most people on this board. Every situation must be different, I faded after being a MS for years in my KH, and I still talk to my family, members of the KH that I happen to see in the streets with no problem. Elders don't harrass me when I see them.
since finding out more about the wtbts over the last year, it has come as no surprise to me anymore that the deceptive actions of the mother (wtbts) are seen in some of her children.
the need for double thinking, self deluding beliefs and sneaky, twisted belief and thought patterns that i have noticed over the years in so many jws suddenly makes sense and is no longer scandalising or suprising.. so when i was told of the behaviour of a 'fine, upstanding, pillar of the community, brother' i simply shrugged.
however, the results of his behaviour are not something to simply shrug your shoulders over.. it turned out for the last thirty years of his being married he has conducted affairs with another two 'sisters' in the congregation.
R6Laser,True. However, the rest of the world doesn't point to itself as the "Light Bearers" and "God's cleansed people."
Respectfully,
OldSoul
Exactly. However they are just human like everyone else and therefore not perfect. If we beleived that we would find perfect people in the KH then we were sadly mistaken.
since finding out more about the wtbts over the last year, it has come as no surprise to me anymore that the deceptive actions of the mother (wtbts) are seen in some of her children.
the need for double thinking, self deluding beliefs and sneaky, twisted belief and thought patterns that i have noticed over the years in so many jws suddenly makes sense and is no longer scandalising or suprising.. so when i was told of the behaviour of a 'fine, upstanding, pillar of the community, brother' i simply shrugged.
however, the results of his behaviour are not something to simply shrug your shoulders over.. it turned out for the last thirty years of his being married he has conducted affairs with another two 'sisters' in the congregation.
Nothing surprising, after all its human nature. I knew of elders that would cheat, lie and manipulate all the time. In my old cong. in Puerto Rico this elder was having an affair with another brothers wife. They got caught so the elder and his mistress took off together to New York.
This is nothing new, it happens everywhere in the world not only on the Borg.
organization and the faith.
what hope do yall entertain for the future....the everlasting future?
do you still believe, want to be on a paradise earth or what?
I understand your point very well. That was your experience, but not necessarily typical. Most of us really, really believed in this stuff. We believed in the suppression of our own wills to that of the Org, though shrouded in much different terms. You, somehow, must not have succumbed to it. As I said, you were one of the lucky ones. It took me years to rid my psyche of the majority of programming. For some it takes longer, some shorter.Just because you experienced it one way, does not make it so for the rest.
Daystar,
I agree with your point and I can see how the JW programs their followers. I was one of them and it did take me some time to get rid of that mentality.
Coffe_black,
I also agree with your point that some might stay because of family left behind. My mother, uncle and some cousins are still in but somehow I still talk to them without any problems. I was able to fade successfully so the elders don't bother me and they don't bother anyone that still talks to me. To most in the KH I'm still a witness because I haven't been DFed so they still talk to me when they see me. In their eyes I'm just another 'spiritual weak person' that doesn't attend the weekly meetings anymore. Seeing as so far it hasn't caused me any problems that's how I plan on leaving it.
organization and the faith.
what hope do yall entertain for the future....the everlasting future?
do you still believe, want to be on a paradise earth or what?
Ok, but you were one of the lucky ones then.
I guess my point would be that we weren't forced to do all these things for the society, the ones who did anything was all done out of freewill. Nobody forced anyone that I know of from the KH to do anything they didn't want to do. We can all blame the WT for giving us messed up advice, like being a pioneer instead of going to college, but eventually the individual (not the WT) is the one who has to make the decision.
I went and did a couple of quick builds with the WT as a volunteer, I was a MS for many years, plus many other things. I wasn't forced to do it. But as I grew older and realized the stupidity behind it all I refused to let them run my life anymore so I just said that's it, they will no longer tell me what is acceptable and what is not. So I made my own decision to leave and I never had any problems since.
