Posts by LAWHFol

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Royal comission Gods instrument to expose

by poopie in

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oh yeh

LAWHFol

I second that. Oh Yeh

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2 Scriptures to De-Rail the Organization's Claim that their Child Abuse Claims are based on Scripture

by LAWHFol in

mr.jackson was quite adamant, to his claim that the witness's policies are based on the scriptures.

if these scriptures have already been brought up, i apologize, but if not i feel that they are valuable.. 1. regarding the 2 witness rule :.

the witnesses use scriptures like deuteronomy 19:15 to support their adherence to the 2 witness rule this scripture clearly emphasizes the necessity of 2 or 3 witnesses, however there are reasonable exceptions.. one example is in deuteronomy 22:23 & 22:25. verse 23 says "if there is a betrothed virgin, and a man meets her in the city and lies with her,".

LAWHFol

Mr.Jackson was quite adamant, to his claim that the Witness's policies are based on the Scriptures. If these Scriptures have already been brought up, I apologize, but If not I feel that they are Valuable.

1. Regarding the 2 Witness Rule :

The Witnesses use Scriptures like Deuteronomy 19:15 to support their Adherence to the 2 Witness Rule This scripture clearly emphasizes the necessity of 2 or 3 witnesses, however there are reasonable exceptions.

One Example is in Deuteronomy 22:23 & 22:25

Verse 23 Says "If there is a betrothed virgin, and a man meets her in the city and lies with her,"

Verse 25 Says "But if in the open country a man meets a young woman who is betrothed, and the man seizes her and lies with her, then only the man who lay with her shall die."

"In the city" from v.23 is Contrasted with "in the open country" from v.25. If the offense takes place in the City, the Victim is to Scream, and alert near by Individuals. However if the Offense takes place in the open country, there is no one around to witness the offense, or come for help. Since verse 25 still calls for the Death of the Rapist, this proves that 2 Witnesses are not required in the case of a Rape (Or other sexual offenses). This Negates the necessity of 2 Witnesses, and the Scriptural Backing of the 2 Witness Rule Doctrine.

2. Regarding Women not being allowed to Judge within the Congregation. This one is Simple. Judges 4:4 "Now Deborah, a prophetess, the wife of Lappidoth, was judging Israel at that time." (ESV) A woman was appointed by God to Judge the Israelites / Congregation.

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In light of Types and Anti types, Russell’s Prophecy nearly right.

by fadinfast in

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perhaps the closest he came to prophesying anything right, is his baby [the watchtower] grown up..

the term "babylonish.

the word babylonish, as we have frequently pointed out, signifies confusion.

LAWHFol

The Closest Russell came to predicting something accurately was when he predicted that the Jews would rein-habit Palestine and reclaim it as Israel.

he predicted this in the late 1800's through the early 1900's

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Labeling one self "Atheist" is Unscientific

by LAWHFol in

i have not meet all atheists, and it would be foolish for me to assume that all atheists, share the same prototypical view points.

i am inclined to feel that this classifies the views of a large percentage of atheists.

"atheism is, in a broad sense, the rejection of belief in the existence of deities.

LAWHFol

Personal Beliefs are one thing.. However an Atheist cannot have his cake and eat it too.

Once an Atheist verbalizes his Belief to a Theist, the Atheist gets off of the figurative fence, and firmly plants himself on the Side of "God Does not Exist"

It is hypocritical to try and destroy the beliefs of another, if you your self do not take a firm stand, in your beliefs

(of the nature of hypocrisy, or pretense of having virtues, beliefs, principles, etc., that one does not actually possess:)

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Labeling one self "Atheist" is Unscientific

by LAWHFol in

i have not meet all atheists, and it would be foolish for me to assume that all atheists, share the same prototypical view points.

i am inclined to feel that this classifies the views of a large percentage of atheists.

"atheism is, in a broad sense, the rejection of belief in the existence of deities.

LAWHFol

Rebel8 - I respect your statement, and what you have mentioned comes down to semantics. This post is intended for those that Firmly reject the existence of God.

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Labeling one self "Atheist" is Unscientific

by LAWHFol in

i have not meet all atheists, and it would be foolish for me to assume that all atheists, share the same prototypical view points.

i am inclined to feel that this classifies the views of a large percentage of atheists.

"atheism is, in a broad sense, the rejection of belief in the existence of deities.

LAWHFol

I have not meet all Atheists, and it would be foolish for me to assume that all Atheists, share the same prototypical view points.

I am inclined to feel that this classifies the views of a large percentage of Atheists. "Atheism is, in a broad sense, the rejection of belief in the existence of deities. In a narrower sense, atheism is specifically the position that there are no deities" (From Wikepedia "Atheism")

This is in no way related to "Agnosticism". I respect and envy anyone that can genuinely confess "I am not certain".

Most Christians default to either "Faith" or "The Bible", as Supporting Proofs of their argument.. Similarly, Atheists default to "Science" or "Logic & Reason".

When I have asked Atheist's, a question like "What science do you feel Supports the non existence of God" Predictably The Atheist has responded with "There is no Evidence or Proof of God & Science requires empirical Evidence." often the Atheist will then Move on one of two Supporting Arguments 1. "Evil exists, therefore God Does not Exist" or 2. "The Bible is Flawed, therefore God Does not exist".

With Deductive Reasoning, I will demonstrate how the Claim of Atheism is Un-Scientific.

The etymological meaning of "Science" is "To Know"
A Scientific Law can be classified as something that is Known.
Scientists generally use "The Scientist Method" to establish Scientific Laws.
The Scientific Law requires that an observation is first classified as a Hypothesis & then a Theory and finally a Law.
In order for a proposed explanation to become a Scientific Hypothesis, the Scientific Method requires that the explanation can be tested.
The Assertion that God Exists cannot be accurately tested, and for this reason it cannot be classified as a Hypothesis. (Within certain branches of Science)

Physics is a Branch of Science.
Quantum Mechanics is a Branch of Physics.
If the Universe was created, the Creator used Quantum Mechanics extensively to create the universe.
The Nature and behavior of Certain aspects of Quantum Mechanics are beyond our Capacities to Measure or Understand, at this time.
To try and understand Quantum Mechanics better physicists utilize the perturbation theory.
It would not be Scientifically Inappropriate to use the perturbation theory, to Understand the potential Of intelligent design in Quantum Mechanics, and the universe.

If the above 12 premises, are not False the following is an appropriate Scientific Hypothesis :

The perturbation theory allows the Physicist to describe a complicated quantum system in terms of a simpler system.
The Simple System = An Unnatural object has never been formed or brought into existence without the actions or force of an Intelligent Being.
Complicated quantum system = Like Unnatural objects All Natural objects must be formed and brought into existence by an Intelligent being.

Until this Hypothesis is Disproven, classifying yourself as an "Atheist" is Un-Scientific.

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For the First time.. I have found actual Proof of Jehovah's Witnesses in the Bible!

by LAWHFol in

the scripture is matthew 6:2 "so when you give to the needy, do not announce it with trumpets, as the hypocrites do in the synagogues and on the streets, to be honored by others.".

the similarities are shocking!

here is a list of bullet points, highlighting the ways that the jw's match today.. as a jw your gifts to the needy (in the form of "a life saving work" of 70 hours) are announced from the stage with a microphone, and you are then honored by others, in the form of them applauding in the kingdom hall.. duplicates?.

LAWHFol

The scripture is Matthew 6:2 "So when you give to the needy, do not announce it with trumpets, as the hypocrites do in the synagogues and on the streets, to be honored by others."

The Similarities are Shocking! Here is a list of Bullet Points, highlighting the ways that the JW's Match Today.

As a JW your gifts to the needy (In The form of "A Life Saving Work" of 70 Hours) are announced from the Stage with a Microphone, and you are then honored by others, in the form of them Applauding in the Kingdom Hall.

Duplicates?

"give to the needy" = "Regular Pioneer"
"announce it with trumpets" = "announce it with a Microphone"
"hypocrites" = "Jehovah's Witnesses"
"synagogues" = "Kingdom Halls"
"others" = "other Jehovah's Witnesses"

SO now I know that Time Keeping. Is Found in the Scriptures.

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Jesus had Nowhere to Lay his Head....

by Muddy Waters in

so jesus had nowhere to lay his head.

he had a huge following and reputation... with no tv, publishing company, big bethel house, branch offices, literature offers, requests for field service time, judicial committees held in secret star-chambers, disfellowshipping & shunning rules and big procedures for "reinstatement"... .

so why does wts do all these things??

LAWHFol

How does this, "But when you give to the needy, do not let your left hand know what your right hand is doing," Matt 6:3 correspond to Monthly reporting of your "helping the needy" down to the hour??

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Need best info on why Jesus could never have chosen org in 1918?

by GodZoo in

hi folks... i was playing a tiny online ipad multiplayer war game last night and one started a dialogue with a another player i was attacking.

in it he quoted a scripture.. and it turns out he he is a 25 year serving jw.

possibly an elder... well.. i spent 6 hours tapping away with one finger in the chat box until 8am this morning with him about all the issues on sex abuse, the money grab and most importantly the subject of jesus turning his attention to the earth and selecting the then bibles students as his one and only people based on what they were teaching (spiritual food) back then.. he knows nothing about any of the current and historic child sex abuse cases (never heard of candice conti etc) and even less about the insane early teachings or russell etc.. i completely blew his mind in our 6 hour text chat not to mention my index finger nearly falling off!.

LAWHFol

From the late 1800's to 1935 - Jehovah's Witnesses taught that The Jewish people were Gods Chosen Nation. The organization taught that the New Covenant was for the Jews.

So to answer your question : if Jesus chose the organization in 1919, why didn't any one inform the organization of this selection until 1935?

ask your new friend why the Org removed the word "double" from Isaiah 40:2 - This scripture was used heavily by the early Watchtower to prove that the Jews would reinhabit Palestine in the near future (Which happened in 1948).

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How dishonest was the Apostle Paul?

by opusdei1972 in

may be some of you will be shocked by this question.

however, when i was studying the bible with critical eyes i detected that paul ( or saul of tarsus) misquoted the hebrew bible in order to get false support for his arguments.

of course, this tricky kind of use of the "scriptures" was not only used by him, but others, like the author of the gospel of matthew got unsupported doctrines misquoting verses.

LAWHFol

In Lost Scriptures, Books that Did Not Make It into the New Testament, Bart D Ehrman writes on the Letter of Peter to James:

"The Letter of Peter to James" is one of a number of early Christian writings pseudonymously written in the name of Jesus' disciple, Simon Peter... It does not survive as an independently transmitted letter, but only as the preface to the "Homilies of Clement" a collection of legendary stories and sermons of Clement of Rome ...

The Letter of Peter urges James to pass along the accompanying sermons carefully to those who are worthy to receive them, and to no one else.

The clear concern is that Peter's teachings not be corrupted by those who have a different understanding of the truth. Both the Letter and the Reception are Jewish Christian in their orientation, as seen in their emphasis on emulating the actions of Moses, on keeping the Law, and on opposing the person Peter calls "the man who is my enemy." Peter's opponent here is commonly understood to be none other than the apostle Paul ( Gal 2:11-14) who taught that salvation comes to all people, Jew and Gentile, apart from following the Law of Moses, and who urged Gentiles not to be circumcised (Gal. 5:2-12)."

Verse 5: "For to do such a thing means to act contrary to the law of God which was made known by Moses and was confirmed by our Lord in its everlasting continuance. For he said: "The heaven and the earth will pass away, but one jot or one title shall not pass from the law.

Verse 6: "This he said that everything might come to pass. But those persons who, I known not how, allege that they are at home in my thoughts wish to expound the words which they have heard of me better than I myself who spoke them. To those whom they instruct they say that this is my opinion, to which indeed I never gave a thought.

Verse 7: "But if they falsely assert such a thing while I am still alive, how much more after my death will those who come later venture to do so?"

Chapter 2 verse 3: "For some from among the Gentiles have rejected my lawful preaching and have preferred a lawless and absurd doctrine of the man who is my enemy.
Verse 4: "And indeed some have attempted, whilst I am still alive, to distort my words by interpretations of many sorts, as if I taught the dissolution of the law and, although I was of this opinion, did not express it openly. But that may God forbid!