millie, after that debacle in my congregation (most of the teenagers getting DA or DF within a matter of weeks), and the later change in procedure, there was a talk telling parents/kids to not avoid getting baptized so they can't be punished--something like, "Even if you aren't baptized, jehoopla reads hearts and you won't have the benefit of his discipline and maybe lose your life at Armageddon."
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by rebel8 inback in the early 1980s, some congregations were "disassociating" unbaptized people who committed alleged disfellowshipping offenses and weren't repentant.
it was announced from the platform in the same way, "so and so is disassociated," followed by 1 scripture about shunning and another about the specific sin that person had committed.
the ritual shunning was exactly the same as dfing.
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Status of people shunned before rule change?
by rebel8 inback in the early 1980s, some congregations were "disassociating" unbaptized people who committed alleged disfellowshipping offenses and weren't repentant.
it was announced from the platform in the same way, "so and so is disassociated," followed by 1 scripture about shunning and another about the specific sin that person had committed.
the ritual shunning was exactly the same as dfing.
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^stillin, did people stop shunning that individual after they were told to stop?
Does anyone know of any case when shunning was stopped because of this change in procedure?
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I can only log in under my old user name
by rubadubdub init seems i can only log in under my previous user name, rubadubdub.
i would prefer to keep my new account and log in under the user name sailaway.
can this be corrected, or do i need to start a new account?
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Did you grow weary in "well doing"?
by compound complex in"and let us not be weary in well doing: for in due season we shall reap, if we faint not.
" holman christian standard bible; galations 6:9.. i just now remembered an old wt article about the things that discourage us about our imperfect selves.
one such disappointment in ourselves is that we know we should continue doing good unto others, but we're simply worn out.
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Status of people shunned before rule change?
by rebel8 inback in the early 1980s, some congregations were "disassociating" unbaptized people who committed alleged disfellowshipping offenses and weren't repentant.
it was announced from the platform in the same way, "so and so is disassociated," followed by 1 scripture about shunning and another about the specific sin that person had committed.
the ritual shunning was exactly the same as dfing.
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rebel8
Hi Morpheus, in the 1980s for a while they had a different definition of "disassociated" than they do today. I'm referring to that old way of doing things. -
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Status of people shunned before rule change?
by rebel8 inback in the early 1980s, some congregations were "disassociating" unbaptized people who committed alleged disfellowshipping offenses and weren't repentant.
it was announced from the platform in the same way, "so and so is disassociated," followed by 1 scripture about shunning and another about the specific sin that person had committed.
the ritual shunning was exactly the same as dfing.
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rebel8
To answer your question, yes these individuals were subsequently to be treated as inactive but you know how it is with the more judgemental dubs. Once shunned always shunned.
That was beautiful. Thank you for sharing that post.
I did reach out to one person this happened to. She was involved with the dubs only for a short period of time and does not see it as a cult or anything beyond just a bunch of jerks. This shocks me. I believe she was 14 or 15 when she was DAd for "fornication" (which I later discovered could have been just kissing--they DAd a bunch of kids for this around the same time). She did not repent (I mean really? 15 year olds are kinda obstinate by their very nature. Why were they "created" to be defiant?). They announced it on the platform that we were to not say a greeting or eat a meal with her (you know, the scripture everyone knows means 'go shun this person'). They read a scripture about fornication. IMO this is child abuse and beyond disgusting. She was a CHILD.
Her mom stayed in the borganization for a while with a child who refused to attend the meetings. That's the power of brainwashing--a mom rejecting her own child for being normal, in favor of a bunch of buttheads. It was so awkward for me--I was angry at the mom and at the borg. The mom woke up rather quickly and I was glad--I felt a parent should be on her kids' side when the kids are right.
Anyway, I'm just wondering if she would still be shunned if she encounters dubs today. I'm thinking yes, even though New Light cancelled this out. Apparently they do not have Old Light Amnesia when it comes to shunning.
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Status of people shunned before rule change?
by rebel8 inback in the early 1980s, some congregations were "disassociating" unbaptized people who committed alleged disfellowshipping offenses and weren't repentant.
it was announced from the platform in the same way, "so and so is disassociated," followed by 1 scripture about shunning and another about the specific sin that person had committed.
the ritual shunning was exactly the same as dfing.
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rebel8
Back in the early 1980s, some congregations were "disassociating" unbaptized people who committed alleged disfellowshipping offenses and weren't repentant. It was announced from the platform in the same way, "So and so is disassociated," followed by 1 scripture about shunning and another about the specific sin that person had committed. The ritual shunning was exactly the same as dfing. So actually there was no difference between df and da except a few letters.
In my congregation, there was a rash of young people being "disassociated", as young as 13 years old, disassociated for things like smoking pot and fornication. And their sins were pretty much announced.
So then there was some sort of clarification given that disassociating is something a person does to himself while dfing is something the congregation does to him. Then they stopped the aforementioned practice.
So my question is, what is the status now of the people erroneously shunned back then? Are they just considered inactive? Can dubs speak to them? Thanks -
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Festivus - Revisited
by berrygerry ini have been a devout promoter for many years.. sadly, today, of all days, i was forced to re-examine some of the practices involved with the celebration of this holiday.. i was leaving a store, and was stunned to see a festivus pole struck down and abandoned.obviously, this must have taken place at night, and the culprits were hunting poles without a license or permit, and were interrupted at the last moment, and then fled.what a senseless slaughter!how often is this happening?.
and then, i got to thinking.how many festivus poles are left outside - vulnerable?how many of these poles then wander the neighbourhood in search of prospective mates?currently, in my city, there are no by-laws regulating pole mating behaviour.. and poles being poles, baby poles are thereby brought into this world, and tragically abandoned (and in winter, no less).is there a worse sound than a pole cub mewling for its mother?
i think not.. so, festivus people, if you keep your poles outside, please, please, at least have them spayed or neutered.. happy festivus!.
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Big Eyes Movie Article
by jerryjax99 inhey everyone, i am new here to the site and wanted to share this article along with a personal experience with her.. .
http://national.deseretnews.com/article/3089/the-real-life-artist-portrayed-in-big-eyes-credits-her-newfound-faith-for-helping-her-take-a-stand.html.
i was able to meet margaret keane in pittsburgh, pa at the corapolis congregation back around 2002 or so.
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rebel8
Welcome to the forum.
Am I the only one who finds the story suspect? She says the reason she came forward is because dubs don't lie.
Look, I'm all for a domestic violence survivor standing up for herself and taking credit for her own work.
But...to credit dubs seems so disingenuous. It's just a reason to credit the society where credit is NOT due, and to use the media to witness to others. Nothing more.
- Dubs do not believe in, or teach, that women should oppose men. Yeah, I know he was an evil nonbeliever and all that, but those of you who've been in since the 70s or before must admit there is at least a covert discouragement of this type of behavior. Even for nonbelievers. I have never seen or heard any indication the society encourages women to stand up for themselves in this sort of situation.
- Dubs do not believe in notoriety, putting oneself in a place of fame or adoration, etc. Jesus, we couldn't even say the word 'adorable' because of it. It's creature worship according to their doctrine. I know of exactly zero teachings saying you should speak out to get credit for your work in this situation.
She's just using the society as a prop here. JMHO
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It's imminent now.
by rebel8 inno, not armageddon, silly.
santa claus.. http://www.noradsanta.org/.
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rebel8
Well people, how'd ya make out? Inquiring minds want to know.
Haven't opened any gifts yet myself. It's still early here and mr. rebel8 is nestled all snug in his bed, while visions of sugar-plums dance in his head.