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  Hunt begins for legion of ‘missing’ children being educated at home

  by rebel8 in

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  a person who used to post here is quoted in this article.. i hate to be a biotch, but since this has happened multiple times here, let me just say this: please do not be an asswipe and "out" her here because it would connect her real name to her username on this forum, and all the highly personal stuff that goes with that.

  disclosing that is her decision, not yours.. ok, now that we have that out of the way, here's the article.

  it's pretty great to have the political and religious radicalism connected to dubbery in this way.

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  rebel8

  A person who used to post here is quoted in this article.

  I hate to be a biotch, but since this has happened multiple times here, let me just say this: Please do not be an asswipe and "out" her here because it would connect her real name to her username on this forum, and all the highly personal stuff that goes with that. Disclosing that is her decision, not yours.
  

  OK, now that we have that out of the way, here's the article. It's pretty great to have the political and religious radicalism connected to dubbery in this way.
  
  
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  New Loophole Created: You can cheat on your spouse without him/her being able to divorce you

  by ILoveTTATT2 in

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  the new "pillowgate" video exposed a loophole in the witnesses´s thinking, showing how dangerous and stupid legalism is.. this loophole is sure to destroy many people´s lives.. 1) they said that two men masturbating at the same time in front of each other does not constitute "porneia".. 2) "porneia" is the only biblical reason for divorce.. 3) from 1) we can also get two women masturbating in front of each other, or a man and a woman masturbating in front of each other, does not constitute "porneia".4) most people would consider masturbating at the same time with another person to be cheating, and a logical reason for divorce.. so this will lead to many witnesses going to the elders and being told that they cannot divorce this person who clearly cheated on them.

  then, if this person (the "innocent mate") divorces and marries someone else, then that person would be the one possibly disfellowshipped!the implications of the loophole are so stupid and so damaging!i predict another flip-flop.

  "considering things more closely, this is "porneia"... or doubling down on it ("sorry but that is what the biblical limits are") or just fading away into those things that only 1% of jw´s know it´s a rule....

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  Can anyone honestly claim all of these statements are consistent with each other?
  

  if one of them (man and woman masturbating in front of each other) will stay over night - this will be a biblical reason for divorce.

  
  

  
  

  
  

  In Crisis of Conscience, Ray Franz relates the case of a woman who couldn't divorce her husband even though he'd had sex with an animal. That also was not "pornea."

  for God is not a God of confusion but of peace--1 Cor 14:33

  for I, the LORD, love justice--Isaiah 61:8
  
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  End times "too late for you now" witnessing?

  by CitizenofEarth in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  hello there.. i've heard it several times from different people while i was growing up, as well seen some people talk about it here on the forum.

  the subject is the jw belief that a time will come before the end where they will change the message that jesus talked about, to one of damnation, where the world will be told something along the lines of "it is too late now".

  do any of you have references to jw litterature where they write this?

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  it is so blatantly against the message Jesus tried to convey

  Disclaimer: I don't believe jesus ever existed, but just to respond to your comment...how do you figure? The bible definitely does say there is a time when it's too late, both in the Old Testament (Noah, Lot, Daniel, Moses, etc.) and in the New Testament.

  This article quotes several scriptures that say so.
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  Sister may have had a slight heart attack, do I text her?

  by Xanthippe in

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  so my cousin phoned and told me my jw sister was taken to hospital with chest pains and it may have been a slight heart attack or possibly she's starting with angina.

  now as some of you know my sisters and brother have had little to do with me for 29 years.

  we've met at funerals, or arranged them, but i just thought today what if she did die?

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  I totally agree with slimboyfat and that is exactly what I do with my relatives and former friends. I contact them if I want to.

  You have to understand this in the context of how The Borg treated me, worse than an animal. I have taught myself that I am equally as valuable as other humans and I now act accordingly.
  

  Rule #1: This rule applies to the majority, who been horrible to me. What would it say about my self image if I were to seek a relationship with people who have proven to be bad to me? So they are completely off my list of people I waste my breath on.
  

  Rule #2: This rule also applies to The Horribles. They have made it clear what type of relationship they want to have with me. I will not stoop to chasing after them.

  Rule #3: This rule applies to those who have not yet met any criteria to be included in The Horribles Club. They were nice and lost contact with me for various reasons that people lose contact with each other. To them, I have reached out. Most of those don't respond when I reach out, so I follow Rule #2.

  YMMV
  
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  Life after jw

  by Jrjw in

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  2. beliefs

  hi has anyone still kept searching for the truth after leaving wts?

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  Yes, and I found it.

  https://www.amazon.com/Greatest-Show-Earth-Evidence-Evolution/dp/1416594795/ref=sr_1_4?ie=UTF8&qid=1513449529&sr=8-4&keywords=greatest+show+on+earth
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  Charging $150 To Tell Your Stories

  by Bangalore in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/how-to-escape-from-jehovah-s-witnesses-religion#/.

  for $150: collaboration with the backer so that their story of successfully escaping an abusive belief system (300 words max) features along with others in the final pages of how to escape from jehovah's witnesses.

  the text will be written by the author but will include a minimum of one quote worded by the backer.

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  It's free to write and publish your own short story if you have a computer or can use the one at the public library. Just go to amazon.com and do it! Make it as long as you want.

  I know an even easier way to do it for free. It's called https://www.jehovahs-witness.com

  But as Simon eloquently said, victims make the best victims.

  I have a special hatred for people who prey upon vulnerable people. We've seen evangelists on this forum do it. We've had posters bilk other posters out of $ (Mouthy). I even started a vigil here for a dying member who (come to find out) didn't exist. Ask anyone who's had cancer how many people try to sell them cures as effective as Miracle Wheat. #45 is proving people can fall for even the most preposterous of claims, so if you're out to scam people, you will succeed if you try hard enough. People suck.
  
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  How To Fade Away Cleanly?

  by SplaneThisToMe in

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  2. friends

  this is my first post and hopefully i can get some advice and input.

  i have been actively involved with the organization for a little over 10 years now.

  i began studying in high school, got baptized and my family fortunately did not.

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  Does anyone have experiences like this? What were you able to say to the friends to get them to leave you alone without the potential of saying something/acting like an apostate?

  I was, sorta. I slowed down and stopped meeting attendance quickly--I don't think I did it gradually. I was a teenager and told my jw mother I refused to participate any longer.

  Because she had confiscated all my $, and I was forced to pioneer/own a 4-door car that I couldn't afford/work part time, I couldn't leave the house right away. The elders told her I needed to meet with them, so because I was going to be homeless if I didn't, I did.

  I just basically said I don't want to be a jw anymore. They tried to pin sins on me, including apostasy, but they had no evidence. They asked if I believed in the FDS anymore and I said I didn't know. I just kept repeating I won't be attending meetings or FS anymore, and didn't let them put other words into my mouth.

  They tried to get me to DA and I said no, I just won't be attending FS and meetings anymore. They dragged on the meeting and I just kept repeating the same basic statement so we had nothing to discuss. They ended the meeting and said I wasn't DFd.

  I heard from various dubs for a few months. When they visited my home and work, I said thanks for your concern but I am not interested in discussing this with you. I destroyed all mail without opening it. I moved to another territory to get away from them, which helped.

  Since then, I have suspected they DFd me later on. I ask my toxic mother if I am and she has told me both yes and no at different times. Who knows, who cares...it doesn't affect me at all now.

  Years later, sometimes I would run into a jw, and they didn't speak to me. That is perfect, because I shun them back. I don't want to be seen interacting with horrible people like that.
  
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  I'm so confused, help?

  by Ponyo in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  i want to share my story.

  (might be a tad long).

  i have no idea where i stand anymore regarding being a jw and where i stand in my marriage.. im 28 years old and the years are certainly ticking by.

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  Is it possible your longing for this man is symbolic of other things?
  

  I don't believe there is only one soulmate for everyone. I believe we can love many different individuals in our lifetimes.

  You have a lot to work out in your head. I'm sure running off to this man might be really appealing as an escapist fantasy. But honestly you've got some young kiddos who need you. That doesn't mean you need to stay in the marriage, just that you can't be impulsive.

  You're also questioning your religion, which is totally fine too. I wonder if it's best to start with that and figure out the family stuff later? There are a lot of facts about the org's teachings and behavior to learn.

  Finding out about true facts is not apostasy or bad--even the Society has published stuff about it. <<That link has quotes from Society literature with no comments, so it's not an apostate site at all.
  
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  Out of the world, into the Truth

  by apalro in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  for some background - i studied on & off as a child with a jehovah's witness who has been patiently working on lots of our family for more than a decade and never gave up on any of us.

  as a middle-schooler and a highschooler, my love for jehovah and any association with my childhoood bible teacher... faded.

  disappeared.

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  You got yourself out of bad situations and improved your life. Yay you!

  Take a step back. Try to remove the emotion, what you want to believe and what you've been taught.

  Let me save you the work. Here is what you will inevitably conclude:

  • The Bible is a collection of works from many different individuals.
  • It does indeed contradict itself.
  • It does indeed endorse hate, violence, rape, and other sorts of nasty things--Greek and Hebrew scriptures alike. (You can find a list of citations at evilbible.com. Then look them up in the New World Translation.)
  • There is and never has been any evidence of the existence of any supernatural beings.
  • The most important things a human being can do are these 2 things: (1) Be a good person and contribute positively to society. (2) Live a life worth living. This includes using your brain and your whole self in good, fulfilling ways.
    
  • If Jehovah is worth worshiping, and one day he decides to make his existence known, he'll be so happy to find you enjoying the gift he gave you (life). If not, you still win!
    
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  X/LDS vs X/JW!!!Who is more twisted and bitter.

  by joe134cd in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  since leaving the jws i have become fascinated by the lds church, because of the similarities both organisations have.

  in reading x-mo forums i get the impression that they tend to be not as bitter and as twisted as xjw.

  this is surprising as i think the lds is a bigger con than the jws.

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  I guess I can't embed links here at the moment, because the page freezes when I do, so let me type it in old school: http://www.lulu.com/ex-jw

  I made a comparison chart of ex-mormons and ex-jws and there are some freaky similarities. I spent time on an ex-mormon page to research it and they didn't realize how similar they are to us, right down to the disparaging nicknames we give to our former organizations.