Hi googlemagoogle,
Yeah, you discredit the Bible. It's up to you. I lack time these days and those weblinks you provided are quite long, when I have time, I'll look them up. Hopefully I can get back to you on that...
This is a pre-comment before I have looked up those web links... but all those prophecies DID happen to Jesus, at least when on paper when you flick through the scriptures it's all there in writing.
When you say the Bible is pseudepigraphical... I think we are just poles apart in our thinking. I don't want to go into that one...
I think I just want to not debate this anymore and just want to: AGREE TO DISAGREE, alright? I'll try to get back to you on those web links you provided, if I can... I probably will still feel the same way as now. Someone posted on here NWT links saying how inaccurate it is... I looked at the web page, and due to my extensive research, I could find fault with what they found fault about.
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The King James Version is Perfect
by blabbermouth ini don't know about anybody else,but i love the beautiful king james version.it contains no error and is perfect.there are no mistranslations in it,and none can be proven.i don't read or study anything else for spirituality.im like a tree that is planted by the water,i shall not be moved,amen,amen,hallelujah,praise jesus!!!!
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Proverbs 17:17 A true companion is loving all the time
Good point Blondie
This means that not 1 JW has a friend, since all will be shunned and rejected if they leave.
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Minimus--
I've always looked at the Organization in the same way as belonging to a club. You can get kicked out if the club makes new rules....Great to have you back, Blondie!!
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People genererally use each other in this life.
You get married to some chick, you lose your job. She divorces you beacuse you don't have $. But the marriage celebrant tells you to say "for richer or poorer!"
...Go figure! (shrugs shoulders.)
I think with the way things are with job security, I think human beings in general should be more reasonable!
It's such a horrible world. I hope that the Jehovah ends it asap. LIterally within 5 years.
Sorry about my "downing" everything. It's just one of those topics. Everyone has their sensitive topics. I have several... lol... I got a lot of problems if it's several! :D -
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minimus --
Sadly, I miss very few.
inquirer -- I don't miss anyone! Wasn't there long enough. But I always thought, that everytime you spoke to them, you were talking to someone that was too indoctrinated. X + 2 more of them, is just not possible.... Ok, they are religious and you'd expect that, but if you get even 5 cm non-JW, they couldn't handle it. Everything is on the ban list.
I saw some people there I liked, but what kind of friends are they? Witness friends? Why can't someone just be a friend ALWAYS.
I find friends hard to come by these days -- JW (assuming it was possible) or worldly people. People seemed to your friend ONLY when your in a certain situation like at work. If you that job... no friend anymore. A college course, if you leave that course... no friend anymore... etc, etc... -
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lol Reminds of 3 great things: 2 PC Games: Indiana JOnes and the last Crusade and Fates of Atlantis, another INdiana Jones games. Both give them 10/10! Absolutely choice! And it reminds of the 2nd Doctor Who Patrick Troughton: The Underwater Menance, episode 3. Patrick and William -- best doctors ever!!!! By a km!
Sorry couldn't resist that. Sorry that it's off topic as well.
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I need help with something (About JW apart of the UN)
by inquirer ini was talking to a friend about the jw's being apart of the un as an ngo.
she didn't like it, and was upset about.
rang up bethel (in australia) and inquired about it.
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Thanks TheEdge, that helped.
Hawkaw. This is what I was meaning! Great! Thanks!
I'll tell her about this... :( She'll probably say that UN is lying, but in any case, if the UN was so bad, why would the library be so important! I said to her, "couldn't they have gone to the New York State library instead?" She agreed with me that any association for all intents and purposes is a dangerous and shouldn't of happened in the first place.
I think to myself "you can't trust the UN IF you think it's that bad!" I wouldn't go within 100 km of that place! But senseless Watchtower men walked right into that building (the devil's building from "their eyes") and walked right in a trap.
She agrees with me that joining the library is a dangerous thing. But always has that argument of "someone's lying." :(
Sorry I don't have time to reply anyone else now. There was something else I wanted to say. But I think it's basically all cleared up. I'll talk to her about it.
So stupid the whole thing. I dont' know about you people, but I consider this WT UN thing to be absolutely tragic! :( Brings me to tears, but that's me... -
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I need help with something (About JW apart of the UN)
by inquirer ini was talking to a friend about the jw's being apart of the un as an ngo.
she didn't like it, and was upset about.
rang up bethel (in australia) and inquired about it.
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I was talking to a friend about the JW's being apart of the UN as an NGO.
She didn't like it, and was upset about. Rang up bethel (in Australia) and inquired about it. He said when they joined, the rules and regulations that they agreed to were lenient and the reason why they left because the rules changed -- agreeing to were changed is because they demanded the JW's to agree to too many things like supporting the UN -- just like in the letter that Paul Hoeffel (sp?) when he was answering the UN inquiry.
So my friend is saying that when they joined in 1992, the rules were ok and they had to back out because they didn't want to support the UN and therefore the Jehovah's Witnesses are not guilty of anything.
So! What I am asking you people on here is to supply me with information as proof (web site, scanned letter, email address I can contact) that when they joined the UN in 1992 -- the rules were bad then and unsuitable to join just like in 2001! Because I am sick of her letting off the WTBTS lightly! It's not fair! I need proof that whenever they joined the rules were always inappropriate! I hope you understand what I mean!! If not I'll explain again!! For sure. I am sorry the way I am writing is not so good today. I don't feel all that well. Had to take some time off work. Yeah, I just want to do a - "See! Told ya so," to her! To shut her up once and for all. I get so sick of her supporting the WTBTS -- she is so supportive even though she doesn't go herself and has her bad experiences like me! It's so crap!!!!
I have enjoyed my time on this message board. So good. You people are so normal! :D ha ha ha I am dealing with the real world! :) Keep up the good work!
I am sorry I haven't been able to post on here as much.
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The King James Version is Perfect
by blabbermouth ini don't know about anybody else,but i love the beautiful king james version.it contains no error and is perfect.there are no mistranslations in it,and none can be proven.i don't read or study anything else for spirituality.im like a tree that is planted by the water,i shall not be moved,amen,amen,hallelujah,praise jesus!!!!
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Well, what about that pseudopigrapha book regarding the "magical Jesus." "Oooh! Look at me! I am the little brat that performs magic tricks!" I think it was in the Gosepl of Thomas... Why do they delibrately pick on his early years? In one particular pseudopigrapha book, the translator noted "in the original manuscript it said Abraham was Jehovah's lover!" I think these books are far more crap than the Bible. Jerome had this same idea as me. I think there is a big difference in quality in these "apocrypha" books (to use a generic term.) Most Christians don't regard them as canonical (those Catholic Church books anyway.) I haven't read them for a while (except that one that said that Abraham was Jehovah's lover [after it said that, I stopped reading it] and so I have forgotten a lot of things (particularly the Gnostic ones) but I just know they are no where near as good as the Bible. You must be someone who doesn't appreciate religious teachings and experiences, that's what it must be... But I still think (might sound like a contradiction, don't care) that some Apocrypha books are ok.
Another thing those gnostic books are pretty weird... I'd rather have talking donkeys anyday. The snake was Satan's mouthpiece. Same with the donkey, he made it speak. ...I think most people with the knowledge of the Bible don't have a problem with that. What about when it says Luke 19:40 40 But in reply he said: ?I tell YOU, If these remained silent, the stones would cry out.? (NWT) That's quite an effective verse! He can get anything to complete his purpose, living or not living as it seems! But, I like these scenarios in the Bible, it's quite effective.
People think what they want about the Bible. One guy wrote in this book (called something like The Bible and Flying Saucers) that Jesus went up in a flying saucer when he went back up the heavens! I had a look... but shucks, I can't find that book... I'd be able to explain it better...
*Josephus writing "Jesus" or "Jesus Christ," means the same thing... I know what you are thinking. But wait. Most people believe the Christian Greek Scriptures were written in Greek (a small minority thought it was Aramaic.) Anyway, my point is, I don't know how Josephus wrote Jehovah's sons' name. Was it like in the Hebrew Scriptures, Jeshua, or Jesus in the Greek? I know they didn't write exactly how it was written, but I mean based on the orignal Greek/Hebrew form. If he had written the Jesus form, that would have made a difference... if you look at it from that point of view anyway. But when you read from the sources (James, the brother of Jesus... & Tacitus said in my other post), it's pretty obvious who they are talking of I would have thought!
False prophet? Prophecies not fulfilled! Have you read the Bible?
Look at what it says in the Knowledge book! page 37: "SOME OUTSTANDING MESSIANIC PROPHECIES
PROPHECY EVENT FULFILLMENT
HIS EARLY LIFE
Isaiah 7:14 Born of a virgin Matthew 1:18-23
Jeremiah 31:15 Babes killed after his birth Matthew 2:16-18
HIS MINISTRY
Isaiah 61:1, 2 His commission from God Luke 4:18-21
Isaiah 9:1, 2 Ministry caused people to Matthew 4:13-16
see a great light
Psalm 69:9 Zealous for Jehovah?s house John 2:13-17
Isaiah 53:1 Not believed in John 12:37, 38
Zechariah 9:9; Entry into Jerusalem on colt Matthew 21:1-9
Psalm 118:26 of an ass; hailed as king
and as the one coming in
Jehovah?s name
HIS BETRAYAL AND DEATH
Psalm 41:9; 109:8 One apostle unfaithful; Acts 1:15-20
betrays Jesus and is
later replaced
Zechariah 11:12 Betrayed for 30 pieces Matthew 26:14, 15
of silver
Psalm 27:12 False witnesses used Matthew 26:59-61
against him
Psalm 22:18 Lots cast for his garments John 19:23, 24
Isaiah 53:12 Numbered with sinners Matthew 27:38
Psalm 22:7, 8 Reviled while dying Mark 15:29-32
Psalm 69:21 Given vinegar Mark 15:23, 36
Isaiah 53:5; Pierced John 19:34, 37
Zechariah 12:10
Isaiah 53:9 Buried with the rich Matthew 27:57-60
Psalm 16:8-11, ftn. Raised before corruption Acts 2:25-32;
13:34-37"
I mean I don't want to go in a philosophical discussion, but with this way of thinking, you can deny anything! Prove that I exist! Prove that you exist! Prove that the Internet exist! Prove the cosmos exists! Can you prove it? No, (as they usually say.) Every thing in these sort of discussions is questions! If I said "you are a bastard" (I don't think you are :) )and you had your ear muffs on... How can I get into trouble? How can you prove it?
Does a tree make a noise if it falls down and there is no body around? ...
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I'm not being shunned any longer, and I planted the seed!!!!!!!!!!!!!
by AloneinOh ini called my parents last night.
" again, dad says, "huh, what are you talking about?
i know dad...but it's true.
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outoftheorg --
Hey AloneinOH that is really good news. Tread carefully now and let them digest this UN thing before YOU bring up any new scandals.
It really pleases me to know this site and we who post here, are a source of help in rebuilding families.
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Hey _Alone_, tell us ASAP (!!!!!!!!!!!!!!) if your parents disassociate themselves from the organization!
Or just tell us anything from them: whether they leave or not!
I felt so happy for you with that wonderful story! There is so much bad news on here -- don't get me wrong, I like to hear people's stories (good or bad) but hearing a heart-felt story like this really puts a smile on my face! :) So happy for you! :)
Best wishes,
inquirer!
PS: Good parents. Don't dis them now, don't sell the goose that lays the golden egg! :D ;) (lol.)