Posts by Stromboli

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If JWs Are A Cult, I Believe Roman Catholicism Is Too

by minimus in

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i believe that jehovah's witnesses are a "cult".

to be a "good roman catholic" you have to be "cultic", that's for sure!

their beliefs and practices, rites and ceremonies are simply weird!

Stromboli

Thank you minimus!!!

If we look at the horror and guilt (past and present) the catholics have produced we have to conclude that it has been a very damaging religion regardless of the definition of "cult".

Now for those of you that fell for "it's very different now", remember that they didn't change willingly, they had to do it because of politics and because nobody was and is going to church apart from wedding, funerals, xmas and easter..... A bit like the "new light", facts proved it wrong it wasn't them realizing it beforehand.... They would love to go back to the old days.....

What we are seeing with JWs happended with catholic the difference is that catholics went mainstream in order to survive and jws have become stricter in order to fulfill their own mad words.....

On a good note the effect is that catholics have no real rules nowadays so local congregations and individual can make good things. (So nothing to do with their religion) Whereas JWs can't do anything unless the GB say so....

Anyway....how can a bunch of people dressed like that can even be let loose LOL

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How is the JW church doing in the UK?

by Qcmbr in

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i remember about ten years ago that the jws seemed to be growing very fast in the uk - how is it doing now?

Stromboli

They've never done too good in UK.

Look at the population, Italy has more or less the same but has almost double JWs. Italy, however, has done well because we have the pope and many don't like him so, they saw JWs as a good alternative..... unfortunately they are just as bad....churches have been empty for a while but KHs are getting emptyer too...

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1 John 4:1

by mjl in

went to the meeting this morning and stayed for the talk.

the speaker used a text that i thought was very ironic, 1 john 4:1 which reads " beloved ones, do not believe every inspired expression, but test the inspired expressions to see whether they origanate with god, because many false prophets have gone forth into the world.

" i found this ironic becuase we were trained not to test anything in the publications and never question what we hear from the platform.

Stromboli

JW Ben:

For your own good, when you write that essay find all the publications where they clearly don't want you to double check, like Blondie has pointed out, so that you may see the tricks they are using.

Many before you (me included) have gone out to defend the WT only to find out how wrong they are.......

I can't wait....

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I am (not) a satanist.

by Pole in

i faded away from the jw cult last year (loaded language but i have my resons now).

i got my family out which was great.

from then on it's been a typical story of leaving a cult, though.

Stromboli

Yeah you know what I mean, the pope, havy metal, you must be up to something LOL

Well I'm glad you found him and at list he was the one that had to lie, and he and some around him know....

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I am (not) a satanist.

by Pole in

i faded away from the jw cult last year (loaded language but i have my resons now).

i got my family out which was great.

from then on it's been a typical story of leaving a cult, though.

Stromboli

I knew it!!!! I knew there was something strange with you aahhhh! you even listen to hard rock at 17! man you you........

For your own sake you should think about not confronting too many and let them be and say what they like unless it's an impediment in your life. I mean if you live in a small community it could be a problem but if not or if people around know you well then they are the ones that have something to lose. If you get in to it too much it can become a new form of enslavement. If you said it to few, all will know by the next meeting (that should do the trick).

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The org is going down----I can feel it!

by stopthepain in

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my brother called me today.he is 20 ,3 years younger than me,and out of the religion.he still has fear though that it could be true,but thats another story.. he told me he heard my mother and father talking upstairs.my mother said about the org "ive put 26 years into it,i think i'm done with it,i might just go sunday from now on".this is huge ,because she was a devoted nutjob witness.she made my life horrible for the 1st 17 years of my life.i had been trying to suddly tell her the truth about the troof,but i didn't expect this.i'm happy and yet i want to know where she stands with the borganization.. this along with what seems to be an outpouring of similar stories,i have a gut feeling the jehovahs witness mind control cult is on the brink of implosion.everyone is so burdened by it.the jig is up,gb,good riddance when you fold.the rank and file have had enough.my 2 younger sisters are on the edge of mental freedom.i hope they can fully get free of it.. this is a milestone in my families long and strange trip in mental enslavement!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Stromboli

Well I would think this is different as once there is a crash, today, the world offers more options to people, but of course I could be wrong

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The org is going down----I can feel it!

by stopthepain in

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friends

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my brother called me today.he is 20 ,3 years younger than me,and out of the religion.he still has fear though that it could be true,but thats another story.. he told me he heard my mother and father talking upstairs.my mother said about the org "ive put 26 years into it,i think i'm done with it,i might just go sunday from now on".this is huge ,because she was a devoted nutjob witness.she made my life horrible for the 1st 17 years of my life.i had been trying to suddly tell her the truth about the troof,but i didn't expect this.i'm happy and yet i want to know where she stands with the borganization.. this along with what seems to be an outpouring of similar stories,i have a gut feeling the jehovahs witness mind control cult is on the brink of implosion.everyone is so burdened by it.the jig is up,gb,good riddance when you fold.the rank and file have had enough.my 2 younger sisters are on the edge of mental freedom.i hope they can fully get free of it.. this is a milestone in my families long and strange trip in mental enslavement!!!!!!!!!!!!

!

Stromboli

frankiespeakin I agree.

In fact I think that reformists like e-watchman are the ones that could bring the division about and therefore the crash.

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The org is going down----I can feel it!

by stopthepain in

jw
friends

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my brother called me today.he is 20 ,3 years younger than me,and out of the religion.he still has fear though that it could be true,but thats another story.. he told me he heard my mother and father talking upstairs.my mother said about the org "ive put 26 years into it,i think i'm done with it,i might just go sunday from now on".this is huge ,because she was a devoted nutjob witness.she made my life horrible for the 1st 17 years of my life.i had been trying to suddly tell her the truth about the troof,but i didn't expect this.i'm happy and yet i want to know where she stands with the borganization.. this along with what seems to be an outpouring of similar stories,i have a gut feeling the jehovahs witness mind control cult is on the brink of implosion.everyone is so burdened by it.the jig is up,gb,good riddance when you fold.the rank and file have had enough.my 2 younger sisters are on the edge of mental freedom.i hope they can fully get free of it.. this is a milestone in my families long and strange trip in mental enslavement!!!!!!!!!!!!

!

Stromboli

I agree with stevenyc because you have to remember that you cannot go on the net, you are not allowed to look at previous books, and need to accept the "new light".

So the system is very clever and will be able to hold another 30Y at least as it stands. IMO the only thing that can take it down is a division from within.

Their growth is just above "inflation" (population increase), therefore weak, but at this pace a decrease can be spinned easily, so only a shake up would crash them. A division could come about because of money (interests) or strategy/power (new "new light"). I think they can spin it up to half their current size if the world goes on this way.

Or God finally enters the picture and says to them "get lost, I do not know you". (I hope this is the one)

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The pope

by Stromboli in

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the pope was admitted to hospital and on the national tv (rai) they were saying that he has an entire apartment right in the h just for himself, not only that but the room just below was emptied just to avoid noise for him.

unbelivable!

recently a man in italy died because the ambulance could not find a bed for him in a hospital so by the time they arrived to the one bed that was available 200kms away he was dead.

Stromboli

Pole

I made a partial assessment

How does you partial assessment negates my all embracing one?

I was under the impression you had a problem with the political aspects of JP2's life

wrong impression, I have a problem with him as a christian leader. sorry, I may have worded it wrongly

Boy, that's the point of an analogy

I know, It doesn't make any difference he is not just a politician and it's not too general

You call the pope (head of the Vatican) a prick because the Italian health system sucks???

you made that conclusion discuss it with yourself

You really got pissed off by the information I pointed you to, right?

Yes I did, a bit of arrogance on my part well and your, but more on my part.

What did JP2 have to do with Stalin and Hitler (you didn't bring it up first, but you seem to have said you could answer that - or did I get it wrong).

Nothing. JP2 wasn't a pope when they were around

What would any pope have to do to avoid being considered "a prick"?

He shoudn't piss me off

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The pope

by Stromboli in

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friends

the pope was admitted to hospital and on the national tv (rai) they were saying that he has an entire apartment right in the h just for himself, not only that but the room just below was emptied just to avoid noise for him.

unbelivable!

recently a man in italy died because the ambulance could not find a bed for him in a hospital so by the time they arrived to the one bed that was available 200kms away he was dead.

Stromboli

Pole now look here:

An analogy (hopefully not a strawman):

Clearly a false one as you are trying to assess a man that is the head of a religion without considering this aspect. (conclusion without using all the premises).(not mutually exclusive anyway)

It's pretty much the same with socialist politicians

A) Not it's not, he is not just a politician.B) N o politician would be allowed in office with his disability for the sake of the cause/country (to be proven e mpirically only , but you do that, in theory it's possible that a politician is allowed, ignore this one if you wish). C)The socialist system and the christian system are different therefore any conclusion has different premises (unless they coincide, you need to prove that).

to show your description made an exaggerated impression

Exaggerated compared to what? your partial assessment? yes of course then.

Sorry m8 but what I said to Country_Woman applys to you too "If you don't know much about logic why on earth do you have such strong opinions about it" I admit that if you didn't point me to that site I would have never pointed out all this errors, out of respect. I haven't done it with others and boy I could have...

The answer to your last question is "resign" because it's not about him (see comment from Valis) it's about us all

BTW thanks Valis, I'm glad you said it and not me

for the record:

in theory the pope represents Peter see Mat 16:18 in practice him and his closests have compared him to Jesus (this doesn't make any difference to my argument)