Thought I'd start a thread for those who have attended the 2005 DC. You don't have to say what the releases were. I'm more interested in how the talks or if the talks highlighted the R&F to blindly follow the Organization.
inbyathread
JoinedPosts by inbyathread
-
10
2005 Convention Lowlights
by inbyathread inthought i'd start a thread for those who have attended the 2005 dc.
you don't have to say what the releases were.
i'm more interested in how the talks or if the talks highlighted the r&f to blindly follow the organization.
-
-
4
Who Must Report Abuse?
by Why Georgia ini was on the massachusetts dss website looking at adoption information for a friend and i started clicking other places and found their definition of mandated reporters of child abuse.physicians, medical interns, hospital personnel engaged in the examination, care or treatment of persons, medical examiners; psychologists, emergency medical technicians, dentists, nurses, chiropractors, podiatrists, optometrists, osteopaths; public or private schoolteachers, educational administrators, guidance or family counselors; office of child care services licensors; day care and child care workers, including any person paid to care for, or work with, a child in any public or private facility, or home or program funded or licensed by the commonwealth, which provides day care or residential services.
this includes child care resource and referral agencies, as well as voucher management agencies, family day care and child care food programs; social workers, foster parents, probation officers, clerks magistrate of the district courts, and parole officers; firefighters or police officers; school attendance officers, allied mental health and licensed human services professionals; psychiatrists, and clinical social workers, drug and alcoholism counselors; and priests, rabbis, clergy members, ordained or licensed ministers, leaders of any church or religious body, accredited christian science practitioners, or a person employed by a church or religious body to supervise, educate, teach, train or counsel a child on a regular basis.. so according to this.......since all members of jehovahs witnesses are supposed to train children - i mean isn't that why they go to bible study, theocratic ministry school etc.....shouldn't every witness be mandated to report child abuse?.
i know this is probably been talked about to death but it was interesting to me..
-
inbyathread
- Priests, rabbis, clergy members, ordained or licensed ministers, leaders of any church or religious body, accredited Christian Science practitioners, or a person employed by a church or religious body to supervise, educate, teach, train or counsel a child on a regular basis.
I'd like to see the whole congregation be prosecuted -
Just because they say something doesn't make it so. Sure they claim and they tell their newly dedicated ones (baptized) that they are ordained ministers BUT just try to marry someone or use the position of ordained minister in some way. A second note is that no one is employed by the Kingdom Hall to supervise, train, ect.
The term 'ordained minister' is a TITLE. It was added to calm rising anger amonst witnesses. Witnesses claim to have no clergy/laity class distinction. However recent events and statements from witness leaders (elders) bring a new thought to the idea of clergy/laity distinction. When the congregations are strongly counseled that "You need to listen to the elders, to the governing body, to the Faithful Slave, the Jehovah's Earthly Organization, to MOTHER!" But these ones don't listen when we have something to say. Yes there is a distinction.
Has anyone (not elder) tried to get licensed in the state to marry individuals? You would need a letter from the BOE indicating that you are an ordained minister with your particular congregation.
Getting back to the topic of this post thread.
It shouldn't matter what the laws of the land say. To report or not to report. A loving Christian would do all they can to ensure the safety of a child.
-
48
Did YOU Ever "Stumble" Anyone? ....Anyone Ever "Stumble" You???
by minimus inthe elders and the organization always put us on alert to make sure we never "stumbled" anyone.
of course, someone was always be counseled for this offense.
-
inbyathread
I used to work for a brother but he didn't pay overtime. After looking at the labor laws I asked him about it and included the scripture about following Caesar's laws. He started paying overtime to all the employees who were all witnesses. The other employees did appreciate my bringing this to their attention.
-
14
Another way to fleece the flock
by inbyathread inyes we all heard about the $8 million dollar co's health and car payment that the congregations are to pay.
how about the yearly (or monthly) insurance premium that must be payed by the congregation to, you guessed it, the wtbts.
the congregation pays to build the kh.
-
inbyathread
To No Apologies and all:
Sure, technically the Society's name is not on the title but like blondie said. If the hall sells, the money goes to the parent corporation. If our hall got sold, (and it is payed for), I would not get one cent. The money would go to the society. If I sell my home, I payoff the loan and get to keep the profit.
This is just another way to get money from the congregations. I don't agree with the idea that it is not about the money. It has everything to do about the money.
The society boldly claims and announces that "No plate is passed" at meetings. Interested individuals like that. We like to keep our own money. If we want to provide some financial assistance to a cause we want to know that the money is being used properly. Yet we are seeing more letters of financial assistance that the congregation can be "priviledged" to care for.
If we asked to see the financial records for a SA or DC we would be escorted out with a smile and a thought that we don't need to question the brothers as to how the money is being spent. They are appointed by Jehovah's Holy Spirit and would never error in the handling of the money.
The society is based on technicalities. They infer much (1975) and when it doesn't happen, they can say that they never said it and blame everyone else as being spiritually weak.
Sure they technically don't own the KH or maybe not even all the Assembly Halls but they have the power that controls the purse strings.
Think for a minute about the new corporations that were announced a few years back. Why was that? To split the money around due to legal problems? Every large corporation does it. Keep loss to a minumum and prevent any legal liability.
It's all about the money.
-
14
Another way to fleece the flock
by inbyathread inyes we all heard about the $8 million dollar co's health and car payment that the congregations are to pay.
how about the yearly (or monthly) insurance premium that must be payed by the congregation to, you guessed it, the wtbts.
the congregation pays to build the kh.
-
inbyathread
Yes we all heard about the $8 Million dollar CO's Health and Car payment that the congregations are to pay. But think about this next one. How about the yearly (or monthly) insurance premium that must be payed by the congregation to, you guessed it, the WTBTS. The Congregation pays to build the KH. Hands the title to the Society. Pays the loan to the society, pays the interest to the society, pays for maintenance and repair costs and pays the insurance premium for a building they don't even own.
-
4
reverse a policy
by NoAnswers in.
if the society changed a policy that was a disfelloshipment offence would brothers be reinstated right away?
if so what policies if.. they were reverse could get any of you reinstated again ?
-
inbyathread
A person is not Df'd because of a particular sin. It's the refusal to acknowledge the sin or to show remorse.
-
6
Thursday, May 5 Local Needs
by TheListener in.
for those of you who still attend what was your local needs about?.
ours was about getting more hours in the ministry.
-
inbyathread
Someone asked me to send this one in.
"We got to see a movie.
A Brother from NY (Bethel?) came and showed a Video of the Expansion Work at Patterson or Walkill. Where ever the new presses are. How so much work is being done. Of course we did get the commercial that this could not be done without the voluntary donations that are so lovingly given."
-
4
Adam vs Jesus
by inbyathread innew topic - maybe old topic revisited.. how about a list of simularities/differences between adam and jesus.
wts states that jesus had to be equal to adam for his sacrifice to balance out adam's sin.
question.
-
inbyathread
Thanks Tashawaa - Next anyone?... anyone?
-
4
Adam vs Jesus
by inbyathread innew topic - maybe old topic revisited.. how about a list of simularities/differences between adam and jesus.
wts states that jesus had to be equal to adam for his sacrifice to balance out adam's sin.
question.
-
inbyathread
New Topic - Maybe Old Topic Revisited.
How about a list of simularities/differences between Adam and Jesus. WTS states that Jesus had to be equal to Adam for his sacrifice to balance out Adam's sin. Question. Was Jesus really equal to Adam?
Adam - Married Jesus - Single
Adam - Created Jesus - Born
Adam - Short life Jesus - Unknown time frame with Jehovah
Anymore out there?
-
29
#2 Talks
by dothemath inbrothers assigned #2 talks have no work to do at all as far as i can see.
if you're even a moderately good reader, you could look over it for about 2 minutes ahead of time.. when someone doesn't show up for the reading, and another brother fills in "short notice", there really isn't any noticeable change in the talk, or how it's read.
in other words, just about anyone could do it.. and then the counselor has to come up with terms about how well the brother read it.........etc., etc., etc.. the commendation is pretty much identical every week for this part.. the sisters have to do extensive research on their parts, but the younger brothers who don't do the #4 assignments have got it very easy..........for most, it's about a 5 min.
-
inbyathread
Fairmind: Even if you were assigned the #2 everytime it should be teaching you something. At the least (in the elders eyes) it teaches humility. Being humble and doing just what they ask each time will get you further in the organization than anything else. How can they expect you to follow WT direction if you have an attitude like that. And if you can't follow direction from the elders, obviously you are not loyal to them, or to the Society, or to the Faithful and Secreet Slave, or to Jesus, or to Jehovah. The number 4 talk is for serious students of the WTBTS. Teaching their doctrines and such. Keeping our thoughts and ideas out of the picture is the proper way to progress. (Rant over)
Hope you don't take anything said here too seriously. The school can be beneficial if overseers used the school the way Jehovah intended it to and not for their own purposes.