Posts by moshe

23

The Deity of Christ

by RevFrank in

the watchtower society has mishandled rules of greek grammar and has manipulated the wording of numerous biblical passages that reveal the deity of christ.

john 1:10 - "...the world came into existence through him..." .

colossians 1:16 - "...all things have been created through him..." .

moshe

I'm Jewish now, so I can say this- "Jesus is dead, he's not coming back- get over it. "

A gentile says- I have nagging doubts about Jesus, but until G-d shows me otherwise, I choose to believe in Jesus.

A Jew says: I have doubts about Jesus and until G-d shows me otherwise , I choose Not to believe in Jesus.

The religious belief system we call Christianity, which sprang from Jesus' sayings has brought much good to mankind and has also brought much misery and cruel death to millions of nonbelievers and believers alike. It depends which side you are on how you feel about the Christian church. The Jewish system has it's fault's, too. But Jews long ago stopped killing people who wouldn't convert to their religion. If Jesus was truly concerned about mankind, he should have intervened long ago to stop all the bloodshed in his name.

peace,

Moshe

73

So, why didn't Jesus write anything down?

by poppers in

terry's thread on who is right - jesus or paul, got me to wondering; why didn't jesus write anything down?

surely he would know that the things he said would be written down at some point, and that this would be the beginning of misunderstanding what he was saying.

secondhand accounts of spoken words have a way of changing dramatically from the original words.

moshe

OK- we have lots of excuses for Jesus- BUT why didn't the disciples write their stories down? They let Paul, who was not privy to any part of Jesus' ministry write down his own version of Jesus' teachings, start his own churches and when they found out in Jerusalem they just told him "carry on", but leave our Jewish group alone. After Paul had been expanding his empire for a decade or more some unidentified writers finally started compiling the letters, sayings gospels and other oral tradition into some books - the four Gospels. It's a very messy set of books we have in the NT-

peace,

Moshe

73

So, why didn't Jesus write anything down?

by poppers in

terry's thread on who is right - jesus or paul, got me to wondering; why didn't jesus write anything down?

surely he would know that the things he said would be written down at some point, and that this would be the beginning of misunderstanding what he was saying.

secondhand accounts of spoken words have a way of changing dramatically from the original words.

moshe

OK- we have lots of excuses for Jesus- BUT why didn't the disciples write their stories down? They let Paul, who was not privy to any part of Jesus' ministry write down his own version of Jesus' teachings, start his own churches and when they found out in Jerusalem they just told him "carry on", but leave our Jewish group alone. After Paul had been expanding his empire for a decade or more some unidentified writers finally started compiling the letters, sayings gospels and other oral tradition into some books - the four Gospels. It's a very messy set of books we have in the NT-

peace,

Moshe

53

are British people boring?

by Ellie in

jw
friends

.

i've just read a news article that stated that in a recent international survey, britain was voted the best country in the world, but the british people the most boring.. i do wonder what people think of us brits, they seem to have some wild idea that we all drink tea and play cricket, they seem quite unaware of the loutish behaviour that many of us are embaressed about.. what do you think?

moshe

Did Benny Hill ever seem bored? He might have died young, but he was never boring.

65

What's your favorite fast food restaurant?

by JH in

jw
friends

harveys .

burger king .

mc donalds .

moshe

I like fast French food AKA- Jacque in the Box!

22

America's new dream: Retire at 85

by Elsewhere in

jw
friends

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/4726300.stm.

retirement age 'should reach 85' .

by paul rincon .

moshe

My wife's great Uncle took out a five year loan on a new car back in 2001- he'll have it paid off this year in time for his 96th birthday- he finally cut back to 32 hrs a week at his job. Florida renewed his drivers license for 5 more years ,too. He retired at 65 for a couple years ,then he went back to work fulltime. He was bored with retirement. Not many can work like he did, as their heath won't permit them to work past 65.

35

Mormons: Bedrock of a Faith Is Jolted

by AMNESIAN in

compare: "1914" and "no-blood" bedrock doctrines of the wbts:

http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me-mormon16feb16,0,5561316.story?coll=la-home-headlines

from the time he was a child in peru, the mormon church instilled in jose a. loayza the conviction that he and millions of other native americans were descended from a lost tribe of israel that reached the new world more than 2,000 years ago.. .

moshe

This DNA evidence might slow down the conversion rates - However, Mormons have never been able to find any evidence to bolster their Book of Mormon history of the Americas. The Book of Mormon mentions a rather large Native American society that had it's own coinage. No metallic coins have ever been found to support this and thousand of treasure hunters are out every day with metal detectors looking for coins. If this society existed ,it would have been discovered by now. Mormons are a close knit family, they will not quit over this. Would Christians admit that Jesus was just a man and isn't coming back ,if some scroll from AD 40 was unearthed that told a human story of Jesus life with no ressurection?

peace,

Moshe

12

Why are the JWs so loyal to The Watchtower?

by VM44 in

why are so many jws very loyal to the watchotwer?

they do anything that the watchtower tells them to do, and believe anything that the the watchtower tells them to believe.. if the watchtower tells the witnesses to jump, the witnesses will ask "how high?

" if the whatchotwer says a black sheet of paper is really white, the witnesses will convince themselves that the paper really is white.. what accounts for this loyalty?

moshe

It is really a type of loyalty to the tribe or clan mentality, I believe. I don't know what it will take to get the hardcore JW's to see that the WTS does not deserve their loyalty anymore. The need to belong to a group is so strong for them that it outweights their better judgement about it's failures. JW's have reached a core mass of membership of sufficient size to weather any threat to the WT rulership. Even if 90% would quit, they could still keep putting out a WT magazine, tweak it a little , and rebuild again. There will always be disasters and wars to scare people into a KH ,hoping to avoid Armageddon.

The best we can hope for is a kinder/gentler set of rules from the Brooklyn GB ,I am afraid.

peace,

Moshe

59

Have you a POSITIVE JW experience??

by ScoobySnax in

jw
friends

ok sometimes i feel it's good to maybe not redress the balance, but at least can you say something positive that you gained from your jw experience.

so thats what i want you to do, if you so feel inclined.

can you say or mention something that had a positive effect on you when you were a witness?

moshe

I learned critical thinking skills in my last few years as a JW. Having my "crap filter" activated has been a real help in life. I only wish it had been turned on before I read my first piece of WT crap. This should be a mandatory class in High School- Critical thinking skills. Of course, Politicians and Corporations both ,all want us to stay dumb and fall for the crap they tell us.

45

Why can't you just move on?

by atypical in

jw
friends

that's what my wife said to me the night before last.

i was making an observation about the way my family and other jws in my life are constantly trying to get me to go to a meeting or read an awake, but they never want to sit down and address the questions i have raised to them.

she then asked me why i can't just move on.

moshe

I tried marital counseling - My wife's lawyer( a woman) talked my wife into it. So she postponed her divorce for a few months and let me back home , as the children did miss their father a lot. The lawyer probably thought I had the real "issues" problem in the marriage. Anyway, I was all for it , as we had young children and I didn't want our family broken up and I still loved my JW wife at that point. Session #1- we talked to the counselor and she gave us each a "sentence completion" assignment. Session #2- my wife only did about 10% of her assignment. She told the counselor, that she didn't like the assignment. The counselor started asking more questions about her treatment of me and how she felt about me leaving the JW religion. My wife did not think it fair to just abruptly decide to quit our religion and expect her to accept it. By the end of the sesion she was very defensive and was anxious to leave. Session #3- I went by myself- my wife refused to go to any more marriage counseling. I continued to go and talk to the counselor. She was very interested in the JW realted problems. She helped me to see that I could do nothing to change my wife, I could only change myself and learn to live within her WT dictated rules and boundaries or accept a divorce. Marriage counsling might work for you ,who knows. Has anyone else had success with marriage counseling? good luck, Moshe