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  One more down the drain-marriage-divorce

  by sspo in

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  i mentioned in the past that my wife turned me in for apostasy and because of it she filed for separation ( she is too holy and spiritual to file for divorce) .she came home this afternoon and started packing a few things to move to an apartment.. i am still going to meetings but it is not enough for her, i reminded her of 1 cor 7 where it talks about a wife not leaving an unbeleiver as long as he is willing to stay with her but she says that does not apply to apostasy.

  go figure!.

  she is free to worship her god, i'm not stopping her but she has been blessed by the powerful gb who the witnesses exalts above god himself that tells them they have the right to leave a mate if it is spiritual endangerment.

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  moshe

  it talks about a wife not leaving an unbeleiver as long as he is willing to stay with her but she says that does not apply to apostasy.

  Sorry to hear about your bad luck, Chap. Same thing happened to me in 1989- you are a victim of "Absolute Spitritual Endangerment"- This teaching first appeared in the Watchtower in 1965 and was rehashed again , around 1988-89. It might also have been covered in a more current WT article. Basically, your wife can get a divorce because you are having a bad spiritual influence on her. The Society has all but admitted that an ex-JW spouse who has knowledge of WT Society coverups, lies and false prophecies will ultimately convince a Jehovah's Witness spouse to quit going to the KH, too.

  Of, course , the JW spouse seldom figures this out. Your wife will feel very self righteous at first after the divorce and will be a hero in the KH. Later, your wife will realize that she was manipulated by the elders and KH into a divorce that she didn't really want. Unhappiness and depression is the next stage. If your ex-wife tries to engage in any social activities outside the approved KH ones or complains to the elders about what happened, then she will find herself marked and become isolated even more. In the end she will figure out that you were right all along- but by then it's usually too late to reconcile with their former spouse.
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  Wikipedia on Witnesses (Huh?)

  by MsMcDucket in

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  has anyone read this section about witnesses?

  the tower is tricky isn't it?unfulfilled predictions.

  individual jehovahs witnesses have made predictions over the years regarding specific dates and events that have not come to pass.

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  They sure must have some people working fulltime in the legal department revising it back to what is acceptable to GB. There are more of us than them!
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  The Jesus Papers

  by Alpheta in

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  2. bible

  readers here may find this of interest, from the bar companion (biblical archaeological review) i received in email today (i'm a subscriber to the magazine).

  it is a "preview" of a review of a new book.

  http://www.bib-arch.org/bswb_bar/bswbba3205review.html.

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  moshe

  Personally, I think Jesus was illiterate and not a very skillful carpenter who found an easier way of making a living.
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  Anyone forcibly removed?

  by Wordly Andre in

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  not sure if this has been talked about but,

  when i was about 12, my family and i were sitting in the middle of the kingdumb hall, i was seated at the end of the aisle, and some lady sitting about 7 rows in front of us got up and started yelling, and ran up to the speaker, two guys grabbed her and took her outside, we never saw her again, but i do remember all the rumors about her, and what she did, i saw her clearly but people were saying that she tried to attack the elder with a knife, i did not see a knife, other rumors were drugs, demons, apostate, etc.

  has anyone here been removed from the kingdumb hall by force?

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  moshe

  I was physically removed from a KH in 1988- I stood up and disagreed with the WT study conductor ( I just dropped into a KH during an out of town work assignment) about a topic called "absolute spiritual endangerment" Two large brothers grabbed me from my seat and pushed me out of the KH. I can still see the look of shock on the face of some Brothers and Sisters- Someone had actually challenged the authority of the WT leaders!

  I also had a brother try and hit me out in field service- I saw the Witnesses working a street, s-oo I just parked my car and joined the group. As I walked down the sidewalk with them, I tried to jog their memory about, 1914,1925,princes on earth, Beth Sarim, 1975, etc. I even followed them to a couple doors and told the householder to beware of these false prophets! Finally a lifelong elder of about 70 snapped and decided to try and take a swing at me. As he raised his fist I reminded him that "only the meek will inherit the earth- I guess that's not you" -In disgust he gave up and the group of four got in his car and left the territory. I sure wish Danny Haszard could have been with me on that one.

  peace,

  Moshe
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  Do JWS have a relationship with God................?

  by vitty in

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  how many jws have a real relationship with jehovah ?

  i thought i did but looking back it was a relationship with the organization that i had.. i did pray, it always went something like "oh please jehovah make me more appreciative, and stop me being so negative, bored at the meetings and help me to enjoy the fs " .

  i always felt the "third voice " you hear while reading the wt, was jehovah, i know it sounds nuts but i think this is why even though i had doubts, i always pushed them to the back of my mind.

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  Having a relationship with God always seems to depend of what man does first. You would think that the Almighty God would have a uniform system to communicate with his creation and to guide it.
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  DID NOAH TAKE PLANTS ONBOARD ARK?

  by badboy in

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  i have heard that certain types of rice can only survive about 3 weeks under water, it occured to me that perhaps noah would have taken aboard,what do you think?.

  what does wt think????

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  You can go crazy trying to reconcile the Bible's stories with scientific facts and common sense.
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  Solution to World's Problem...

  by Confucious in

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  a serious thread.

  not joking around.

  you take all the jews in the state of isreal.

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  The PLO has taken in and stolen tens of billions of dollars over the last 20 years- more than enough to buy a Palestinian homeland. Except no Arab country wants them as neighbors- they are known as troublemakes in the Arab lands. Kuwait kicked 100,000 Palestinian workers out after the Gulf wars because they took sides with Saddam.
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  TITHING approaches!

  by hamsterbait in

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  in the sep 1 witchtower, p25.

  there is an illustration (i assume of an anonymous israelite) vowing "i shall without fail give the tenth of 'it' to you" , at the point in the study where we are told that ornary folks gathered outside the temple when incense was being offered up.

  (he has already given the tenth of something - "it's" running down the end of that phallic looking thingie.

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  Harry the tightwad loves being a JW- he's the cheapskate kind- it's great -no birthday presents, Xmas gifts, mother's and father's day gifts, etc- it sure adds up. Harry hates buying and shopping for those gifts- that's extra money he can spend on himself!! Those types- and there are plenty like him ,will disappear from the KH real quick, if and when they come after him for his 10% tithe.
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  ..Comfort Food..

  by OUTLAW in

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  you`ve just come down with a bad cold or you`ve got a terrible case of the flu..maybe you`ve been partying all night.you`ve just woken up.you feel like the cat crapped in your mouth and pulled your eye lids over your chin to bury it..lol!

  !..what foods do you enjoy to comfort you,when your not feeling well?...outlaw

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  moshe

  
  any of my homemade soups will make me feel better,

  Matzo ball, turkey noodle, Short rib -vegetable, Oyster Stew with real butter and rich milk, potato corn chowder( w/any kind of white fish). And some homemade rolls or foccia bread to dip in the broth.
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  DID YOU TAKE PART IN SPECIAL CAMPAIGNS?

  by badboy in

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  any takers?

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  moshe

  We plowed our car through huge rural snow drifts to deliver an urgent tract on the imminent end of the world- winter of 74-75. The roads were empty that weekend due to a blizzard a few days before- but JW's were not to be stopped by some nasty weather- people's lives were at stake.

  I just can't get worked up anymore, by any charity or organizations urgent plea for money or help.