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  special post!

  by zev in

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  wooo hooo!.

  see that number!

  finally!.

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  Frog

  heya zev, and it only took ya 4.5years to do it too;) hehe...seriously though, I think it's cool that you've consistently worked your way up the starwars ladder over time:) Frog x
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  Right Where It Belongs

  by GetBusyLiving in

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  right where it belongs by nine inch nails

  see the animal in its cage that you built.

  are you sure what side you're on?.

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  What if everything around you

  Isnt quite as it seems?

  It never is...everything we see and experience is subjective to our state of consciousness. Your reality is what your mind makes of it.

  What if all the world you used to know

  Is an elaborate dream?

  We've all been there!

  Would you find yourself

  Afraid to see?

  Not afraid to the challenge the status quo on belief any more, in fact I welcome it:). Nice piece GBL. Frog x
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  The Loving Provision Of Disfellowshipping.

  by Englishman in

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  watchtower, july 15, 1995:.

  disfellowshippinga loving provision?.

  "holy, holy, holy is jehovah god, the almighty.

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  I just forwarded this article to a handful of my good friends and family (who've never been assoicate, or too are diss'd). For so many years we were told to keep quiet about such things to out "unbelieving" relatives, because they wouldn't understand. Too bloody right they wouldn't understand, they hadn't been conditioned over many years to the mindless evil propoganda we had been fed with. At my oldest sisters wedding my slightly older sister was diss'd at the time. She attened the ceremony, but wasn't allowed to attend the reception. We were asked to tell out "unbelieving" family members that my sister had somehow become violently ill between the ceremony and the reception, and we all went though with it, and did as we were told. My sister was reinstated within a few months after that, although I will never understand how she has remained to committed to it after the way she was treated when out...
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  The Loving Provision Of Disfellowshipping.

  by Englishman in

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  watchtower, july 15, 1995:.

  disfellowshippinga loving provision?.

  "holy, holy, holy is jehovah god, the almighty.

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  Frog

  
  OH MY GOODNESS ME!!!!!! It's been such a long time since I last read this f*cked up shit (sorry, not very eloquent) and reading it again has me utterly speechless. This analogy for instance;

  The propriety of expelling those who practice wicked deeds can be illustrated by the following situation: Because of the increase of assaults and violent crimes against students, some schools have adopted a policy that "calls for lifetime suspensions for students who use or threaten to use weapons," reports The Globe and Mail, a newspaper in Toronto, Canada. The expelling is done to protect the students who want to benefit from the educational program without being subjected to violent acts.

  How on earth they can possibly draw a line between law abiding citizens, who pay their taxes, conscientiously vote, donate blood/organs, involve themselves in "real" voluntary/community service work, are being likened to those that subject innocent people to acts of violence, I just do not know???

  I'm without words...I've read this stuff all before of course, but nowadays it hits with a certain punch. So, deluded these teachings are. F*ck the GB and the mind controlling, mind rotting trash they extol on their parishioners.

  Thansk EM for another welcome reminder at the insidious, harmful nature of the GB residing in their ivory tower in Brookly. FROG x
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  Would you go to a funeral at the Kingdom Hall?

  by Dustin in

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  so my brother and i have been having talks about what will happen when our dad passes away eventually.

  most of his brothers and sisters have died in their 50's or early 60's.

  i flat out refuse to attend any part of the service that would be done at the kingdom hall.

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  Hey Dustin my good ol' mate:) I can fully relate to your conundrum, and it's incredibly sad and frustrating that we have to think of these things aforetime when they're oh so morbid, but it pays to be prepared now, to get your feelings sorted out on the matter before such a time (hopefully in the distant future) that this situation presents itself.

  My initial reaction was, that of course we should attend our fathers/mothers funerals no matter where they are. As Blondie said though, JW funerals are very rarely actually about the person and the life they've had, but rather a plug for possible new converts and vommitting out JW fantacies about the "resurrection hope". In your case, as your father has made no effort to reach out to you, and on account of your strong opposition to the JW faith I can fully understand why you would decide not to attend. You don't need to put yourself through all that drama to say goodbe. You and your wife could have your own ceremony whereby you could make peace with your dad, and say goodbye.

  This might be a little advantageous, but perhaps this would be the perfect opportunity to raise your personal pain with your father on the matter. Your father needs to realise that he has to respect your personal right to your own beliefs while he's alive. It's so disgustingly wrong that our loved ones are so arrogant about their rightness as to all things, that they would be willing to sacrifice your heart for their own twisted conscience. And to think that they would put a completely different spin on this, and put it back on us, as having put them through so much HA!!!

  I remember when my non-jw grandfather passed away (13years ago on Thursday) and my parents refused to go into the Anglican church for the funeral, despite that it broke my non-jw grandmothers heart. I was just 12 at the time, and so desperately wanted to be in there, but was powerless to make this decision for myself. We sat in the car outside and watched everyone else go in. How I despise my parents arrogance for making this incredibly unnecessary stand.

  My father is a fence-dwelling-dub, and has opened up to me, so I would attend his funeral no matter where it was. My mother though, I just don't know since she's completely shunned me. I hate to have to think about such things. But when a person you loves/loved died, the ceremonies afterward about remembering that persons life, and a time for those left behind to heal. So, we have to make the best decision we can in these circumstances I guess, to make sure that we have no living regrets.

  Post script: Don't you go dieing young now, you're too good of a guy for that:) luv & hugs, frog x
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  Spiking at the DC...

  by Frog in

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  i hit the pillow early last night, first week back at uni is really taking its toll after a month of sleep ins and so on lol!

  i must have stirred around 11pm and started reflecting on a list of thoughts that i reserve for quiet moments.

  after reading a number of threads on posters that attended the dc this year, it crossed my mind momentarily last weekend that perhaps i might do the same, even if only for a couple of hours on saturday??

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  Else, you have a filthy filthy lil mind;)...admittedly if I knew that spanking was on the agenda, I would definitely consider going for entertainment value! frog x
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  Spiking at the DC...

  by Frog in

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  i hit the pillow early last night, first week back at uni is really taking its toll after a month of sleep ins and so on lol!

  i must have stirred around 11pm and started reflecting on a list of thoughts that i reserve for quiet moments.

  after reading a number of threads on posters that attended the dc this year, it crossed my mind momentarily last weekend that perhaps i might do the same, even if only for a couple of hours on saturday??

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  I'll let you know how I go TPS...we'll see if I have a last minute change of mind! frog x
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  Spiking at the DC...

  by Frog in

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  i hit the pillow early last night, first week back at uni is really taking its toll after a month of sleep ins and so on lol!

  i must have stirred around 11pm and started reflecting on a list of thoughts that i reserve for quiet moments.

  after reading a number of threads on posters that attended the dc this year, it crossed my mind momentarily last weekend that perhaps i might do the same, even if only for a couple of hours on saturday??

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  I've given it some more thought...over lunch I had a chance to thrash out my thoughts on the purpose of my attending the DC, even for only a moment, and have come to some conclusions.

  Firstly, despite that fact that I have absolutely concluded that JW doctrine is false, and the GB are self-appointed narcissistic hypocrites, I am well aware of the limitations on what my psyche can handle after 22years of indoctrination having been raised a dub kid. I know that being raised as a dub caused me immense psychological stress, which I have worked tremendously hard to overcome. Therefore, it make little to no sense to immerse myself inside their culture again, their world, and risk doing myself harm. My only motivations for going was to compare how far I have come since I unplugged myself from the intravenous feeding tube, to my thoughts now which are both secular and atheistic. I realise though, that I don't need to test myself in this regards. Coming out of the org and fighting all the battles associated with it was after all enough of a test.

  Frog...who would like to hump like Kermit (see above) but lacks the necessary appendage to do so frog x
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  What do you miss most about being in the truth ?

  by prophecor in

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  every once in a while, i'll drive thru the blocks of our old territory, remebering the friends, how we would share time in the ministry.

  reminiscing about those i left.

  every so often, i'll pull out the old photographs.

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  Can understand where you're coming from Prophecor, but these days I refuse to allow myself to hold on to what I believe were just delusions of a happy time. Of course there were some good moments, experiences, but they were far outweighed by the negative effects the org had on me. I no longer miss anything from inside the org...frog, of the happy to be out and about class:)
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  Monotheism - the beginnings of one world govt?

  by Satanus in

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  but consider when there were many gods, male and female.

  you could choose the one that suited your nature.

  or, if one god wasn't doing it for you, or you thought that it was harassing you, you call in another god to help you.

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  Someone (??) posted a paper of Dr Timothy Leary's last week (??) on a thread, on the topic of Monotheism as a technology, a tool. For those that haven't read it, here it is again, tis a worthy read...http://deoxy.org/bom.htm

  BEWARE OF MONOTHEISM

  Monotheism is the primitive religion which centers human consciousness on Hive Authority. There is One God and His Name is (substitute Hive-Label). If there is only One God then there is no choice, no option, no selection of reality. There is only Submission or Heresy. The word Islam means "submission." The basic posture of Christianity is kneeling. Thy will be done. Monotheism therefore does no harm to hive-oriented terrestrials (Stages 10, 11 and 12) who eagerly seek to lay-off responsibility on some Big Boss. Monotheism does profound mischief to those who are evolving to post-hive stages of reality. Advanced mutants (Stages 13 to 18) do make the discovery that "All is One," as the realization dawns that "My Brain creates all the realities that I experience." The discovery of Self is frightening because the novitiate possessor of the Automobile Body and the Automobile Brain must accept all the power that the hive religions attributed to the jealous Jehovah. The First Commandment of all monotheisms is: I am the Lord, thy God: Thou shalt have no other Gods before me. All monotheisms are vengeful, aggressive, expansionist, intolerant.

  Stage 10: Islam-Catholicism
  Stage 11: Protestant Evangelism
  Stage 12: Communist-Dulles Imperialism

  It is the duty of a monotheist to destroy any competitive heresy. Concepts such as devil, hell, guilt, eternal damnation, sin, evil are fabrications by the hive to insure loyalty to Hive Central. All these doctrines are precisely designed to intimidate and crush Individualism. The process of mutating into Self-hood plunges the mutant into this cross fire of neurogenetic moral flak. Most of the freak-outs, bad trips and hellish experiences are caused by Monotheistic Morality. Again, it must be emphasized, that Monotheism is a necessary stage. Monotheism is a technology, a tool, to bring pre-civilized tribespeople and caste-segregated primitives into the collectives necessary to develop the post-hive, post-terrestrial technologies.

  The major evolutionary step is taken when the individual says: "There is only one God who creates the universe. This God is my Brain. As the driver of this Brain I have created a universe in which there are innumerable other Gods of equal post-hive autonomy with whom I seek to interest. And my universe was, itself, created by a Higher Level of Divinity—DNA, whose mysteries and wonders I seek to understand and harmonize with."

  From The Intelligence Agents by Dr. Timothy Leary, Ph.D.