heya inquirer...if you could go back in time & stop yourself from being a JW...then you know, you wouldn't be you and wiser for it:) I think you can forgive yourself for experimenting in life. It's all trial and error at the end of the day, a long and colourful accumulative experience. frog x
Posts by Frog
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4If I could go back in time and stop myself from being a JW!
by inquirer ini wish i had a time-machine, to visit my old self and bring myself into the "internet era" (around 1994 -- that was when yahoo came out anyway) and show sites like these and others and warn the "original inquirer" what i would get myself into.
if only i had a tardis!
that would do wonders!
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The sin of the rebel
by IP_SEC inrebellion is one of the greatest sins to the witnesses.
if you believe the bible, there are many good examples to show why rebellion is wrong.
satan, korah, adam and eve, are used by the society to show that to be loyal to the organization is the right thing to do.
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p.s...froggie wouldn't kick bad boy beelzebuboutta bed x
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The sin of the rebel
by IP_SEC inrebellion is one of the greatest sins to the witnesses.
if you believe the bible, there are many good examples to show why rebellion is wrong.
satan, korah, adam and eve, are used by the society to show that to be loyal to the organization is the right thing to do.
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Deviance (rebellion) is socially constructed by those in power. For the WT it's clearly an abuse of power that allows them to draft the rigid norms and values of their society, and sanction those who challenge them. This is a most highly unnatural and artificial sort of society that they've constructed. In most other societies norms and values are negotiated amongst individuals and groups, which help to set boundaries of acceptable behaviour. People's ideas of deviant behaviour tends to shift over time, as deviant behaviour is essential for blazing the way for social change. The WT however, though shuts down this process and dictates them from the top, leaving very little if no room for negotiation, and no room for adaption and change to meet the needs of changing societies.
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~*~*~*~Horrible Life! Its your Birthday~*~*~*~
by misspeaches into dear horrible life.
jwd's ever reliable birthday greeter!.
here is wishing you a splendid birthday.
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Frog
Wow HR, butter sculptures??!...maybe (just maybe) you might wanna get out a little more?! hehe, but whatever floats your boat really:) Revel in the festivities, and btw there's no such thing as overindulging yourself on your birthday, you could be entirely forgiven for forgetting the rest of the world exists on your b'day luv frog x
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IT'S OFFICIAL!!! Fewer wars and less deadly
by steve2 inhere's a thought-provoking news report that you won't see quoted any time soon in any watchtower publication:
(source: the age, an australian newspaper, re-published in the dominion-post, wellington, new zealand.
october 19 2005):
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Frog
I guess it depends how you interpret the clause 'reports of wars' as to whether this actually means more wars? It's commonly understood in media studies that reports of such things as crime and violence do not necessarily reflect a spike in the occurence of crime and violence. On a local level in Aus in general stats show that deviant behaviour is on the down, yet you wouldn't know it through media coverage. It's a phenomenom termed 'Moral Panics', when media reporting over hypes stories for their newsworthy/sensational value. Then there's information overload, that gives the appearance of intensifying conditions. I did a paper last semester on the nature of War in the C20th and how its become more intense under conditions of modernity. I couldn't find reliable confirmatory stats for this century at the time, so this info is interesting, and perhaps reflects an argument for changed conditions under postmodernity. frog x
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Who plays the sims/sims2?
by Evanescence inwho plays the sims on pc or a game console?.
what things do you love about the game or do to your sims?.
anything evil like trap them all in a room and make them starve and get a huge collection of ghosts?.
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whoa, whack new pick ts, you've got eienstein hair (minus the grey;) frog
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so what are the "anointed" you know/knew like?
by nowisee inthere were two quite old females in my congregation.
sweet.
but then they died.. i met several members of gb.
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as a kid they all seemed rather super human to me, I would have killed to have know back then how they supposed Jehoba came to them in their dream...would still like to know how they justify it, all very bizarro.
one older woman (middle-aged when I was growing up) was the ultimate example in the congregation, so much so that no poor lay sister could live up to her...I found out just last year that she had been recently disfellowshipped for taking up with a "worldly" man and committing the unthinkable! How tragic, that she lived all those years alone trying to live up to an impossible expectation, and setting an example that made others feel inferior, only to be publicly shamed in such a way. Oh well, these are the choices we make...frog x
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~*~*~*~Horrible Life! Its your Birthday~*~*~*~
by misspeaches into dear horrible life.
jwd's ever reliable birthday greeter!.
here is wishing you a splendid birthday.
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Frog
Yes miss peaches you are a wonderful birthday informant, and we lub you for it
Hope you have a great day HR, and that your life has come some way since you chose your avitar
Luv from froggie xx
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Mum has extended the olive branch...
by Frog inhi all my friends, i've been absent from posting for a few months.
snowed in with uni work, and just generally choosing to lie low.
but, i thought it was time to come out of hybernation to give you what i believe is some pretty good news with respects to the relationship that exists (or rather hasn't existed for a few years) with my jw mum.. a couple of years ago mum texted me to tell me that she received my letter to family in march just gone, but wasn't sure how to respond to it.
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Hi guys, thankyou for all your kind words it's really touching:) Thanks too for all missing me on JWD, I love being part of this lil community here of people that understand. I've missed reading all your posts too. I'll catch up with you all properly & JWD over Uni break. Big HI to my particularly special JWD mates Diamondsblue, Dustin, sweet Es, my adopted mum ALW, SNG, Tetrapod...you guys are the bestest! Take good care of yourselves until we speak next time. luv froglett xxx
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Mum has extended the olive branch...
by Frog inhi all my friends, i've been absent from posting for a few months.
snowed in with uni work, and just generally choosing to lie low.
but, i thought it was time to come out of hybernation to give you what i believe is some pretty good news with respects to the relationship that exists (or rather hasn't existed for a few years) with my jw mum.. a couple of years ago mum texted me to tell me that she received my letter to family in march just gone, but wasn't sure how to respond to it.
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Hi all my friends, I've been absent from posting for a few months. Snowed in with uni work, and just generally choosing to lie low. But, I thought it was time to come out of hybernation to give you what I believe is some pretty good news with respects to the relationship that exists (or rather hasn't existed for a few years) with my JW mum.
A couple of years ago mum texted me to tell me that she received my letter to family in March just gone, but wasn't sure how to respond to it. In short she basically said that she wants to accept our differences and wants to make peace with me. For those who may not remember or have been around when I spoke my story I'll try and bring you up to speed in brief! I more or less begain fading in late 2001, but wasn't offically df'd until May 2003. It was around then that my mother made it clear that we could not maintain a relationship until I had reconciled with the faith. My eldest sister took the same hardline stand, both of whom were at the time heavily influenced by my heartless brother inlaw. My mother at the time had just separated from my father after 30years of marriage, and was heavily reliant on them for guidance and support. In mums initial text a fortnight ago she stated that back then when all was said and done that she wasn't independent in thought, but all that has changed now and her life is very much on track. My mother at the heart of things is one of the most kind and generous people I've ever known (and I've known allot of people!). She's a mother of 7 and has given everything she could to her children within the tight boundaries of a tyrannical husband and religious organisation. My initial reaction was one of shock and hesitation. After the turmultuous process of the worst kind of unjustifiable pain and loss I was what I believe is naturally afraid to put myself in harms way again. My fear was that at the next convention or meeting when a hardline talk on how to treat df'd ones came out, that she would revert in fear and reneg on her proposition. But, I have to say that even though our relationship will probably never be perfect (but then whose ever is?), that in her acknowledgement of me, and our right to difference, she is acknowledging my right to existence once again, as the woman who brought me into the world. While I strongly believe that this isn't something that should have ever been negotiable or otherwise, I do acknowledge what it must have taken for her to humble herself and make peace with her "conscience" to take this necessay step. I also cannot possibly explain what it has done for my outlook on life. It's impossibility I believe to fill such a huge emotional vaccuum/void left by your mothers acceptance and love. I realise that some cope better than others with this, but I myself have struggled intensely with it, mainly for the fact that she and I meant to much to eachother once. And also because of the fact that I know that she is a really loving and beautiful person. It's hard to deflect your pain in anger on to someone like her, especially with the terrible nature of her own personal lifes tragedies.
So, that's pretty much it for the minute. I just wanted to update all my friends here one of the few heartwarming stories that so rarely come out of all this heartache:) On a sidepoint, my father told me just a couple of weeks before (after I opened up to him and told him I refused to pretend that I can be strong about this anymore, that the pain is just sometimes too great, and I don't think it's fair for anyone to expect me to be so strong and resilliant about it). My father is a boarderline dub ("inactive" and with every new day turning more and more to the "dark side". He told me that this standoff with my mother and sisters wouldn't last forever, he was certain about that, and was so beautifully supportive and on my side. His words meant so much to me. The next morning after our discussion he sent me a text message telling me that he "HEARD ME LOUD AND CLEAR, & I PLAN TO DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT". Both of us could never have predicted that events would take their natural course within just a couple of weeks later! My dad had planned to speak in person with my mother next week when he went to pick up my younger siblings and take them for the holidays. He told me at the time that speaking with these people was like hitting your head against a brick wall?!?! I still cannot believe my dad spoke those words about JW thinking, completely blew me away as you can imagine. My dad is slowly becoming anti-watchtower, but not necessarily anti-jehovahs, but I don't know so much that he's exactly ready to admit that yet. When dad so convincingly told me that this situation wouldn't last forever, I didn't allow his words to let me hope in vain, but it seems my dad is a little wiser than I've given him credit for.
There's probably a whole lot of detail that I've missed out in relaying the events as they've happened, but the above is at least the very guist of things.
Thankyou to everyone here who have always supported me when I've reached out for help, you're all truely good and beautiful people.
Love from frog xx