Posts by Frog

heya banished, you can make it up to them matey, but always takes time. Despite that many of us feel that our family should be there no matter what, and all forgiving and all that, in reality it just don't happen that way. You have to convince yourself that you're worthy of their love and affection, and they will come back to you in your own time. I fully concur with how you feel, although my situation is a little different. Be patient and work at it, and you'll do fine:)) frog x

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Tetragod vs Infamousone

by horrible life in

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tetragod vs infamousone.

both are hot.

both are strong.

Frog

Whoa, think I must've missed the self-ordination of Tetra as God of the hairless apes;) Oh well, I'm up to speed now and know who I'm doing obeisance too;) btw Tetra, I don't think you'd bode well writing for the witless people's, cause you're just too zaney:))

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Do you believe in Karma? Why or why not?

by AlmostAtheist in

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i haven't read up on it, and my only exposure to it is a few people that say they believe in it.

correct my amateurish view of it, please.. karma is the overriding force in the universe that keeps the good/evil scales in balance.

if you do something rotten, you'll get something rotten back on you.

Frog

I too believe in a type of philosophy of Karma, but likewise not in terms of direct causality or cosmic payback. If you live in tune with your own philosophies on life, you will receive greater mental peace, and attract your idea of good things, people and circumstances. If you live your life in denial, cause harm to others, you'll live in a state of cognitive dissonance and mental unrest, the whole while averting truley good prospects for yourself. Pehaps the idea of Karma does not have to be directly causal, with every action causing like effects. For even if it is only we ourselves that know when we commit what we believe to be good or evil acts, living with those consequences can be rewarding or punishing. Perhaps it is just our rigid idea of exactly what justice is in this world that effects how we conceptualise the absence of Karma...or perhaps I'm just speaking out of my froggy bottom:)) x

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Puns- Know any?

by Sparkplug in

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mahatma gandhi, as you know, walked barefoot most of the time, which.

produced an impressive set of calluses on his feet.

he also ate very little,.

Frog

like your picture sparky, you're a real cutey:))...sorry no puns come to mind at present...frog x

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No more exams!!

by Frog in

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...well at least not for another 7 months or so!!

i've just walked out of my final uni exam for the year, and am feeling pretty chuffed about it:).

i'm really pleased with how the exams went and the effort i put into revision, it just feels like such a bloody good achievement to have followed through with something that has come to mean to much to me.. now it's 4 months off for some serious student bludging time!

Frog

heya infamous one, I'm sure we can find someone to role out of swag for ya;)...if you need any advice on heading downunder let me know, always happy to oblige:)

...writing in the comfort of a perfect 23 degree blue cloudless tassieland day:))...btw tps, I believe I owe you that for taunting me with details of Canada's glorious summer while us taswegians were wading through snow;)...hehe, frog x

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Ten Rules for Dating My Daughter

by Big Dog in

i thought this was funny, pretty much sums up my attitude.. ten rules for dating my daughter!.

rule one: if you pull into my driveway and honk you'd better be delivering a package, because you're sure not picking anything up.

rule two: you do not touch my daughter in front of me.

Frog

Very amusing Big Dog especially the nam reference;)...however, I must insist no double standards for the treatment of your your men! Be sure to train them to keep their wildoats out of other people's flowerpots;) frog x

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No more exams!!

by Frog in

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...well at least not for another 7 months or so!!

i've just walked out of my final uni exam for the year, and am feeling pretty chuffed about it:).

i'm really pleased with how the exams went and the effort i put into revision, it just feels like such a bloody good achievement to have followed through with something that has come to mean to much to me.. now it's 4 months off for some serious student bludging time!

Frog

...well at least not for another 7 months or so!! I've just walked out of my final Uni exam for the year, and am feeling pretty chuffed about it:)

I'm really pleased with how the exams went and the effort I put into revision, it just feels like such a bloody good achievement to have followed through with something that has come to mean to much to me.

Now it's 4 months off for some serious student bludging time! (aka forum time, beach baking, and general frolicking an mischief;)

Thanks to everyone who offered such kind supportive words on my post earlier this week, its so nice to be understood, and to hear common sense thinking during moments of pain and confusion from people who know all too well:)

Hope you're all well, luv you all! Now I'm off to the pub...frog xx

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Sabotaging one's life...

by Frog in

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i think that if i don't take the time to post this one out of me i may very well implode:(.

gosh i feel so bloody awful at the moment, and i apologise for laying this on my friends here when i know you all have your own ordeals to deal with.. i've been feeling intensley anxious lately about going home to visit my family at the end of the year.

there's going to be a bit of a family reunion in my home town, which will mainly consist of my immediate family (my never been baptised brother, my disfellowshipped self, and my fence sitter baptised father) and my uncles family (once an elder of 20years, my aunty, their two 20somethings sons who've never been baptised, and my cousin who like me was diss'd a few or so years ago).

Frog

Thankyou alw for thinking of me:)) I feel much better at this end of the week having vented all my anger and frustrations! I actually feel really empowered now by the conversation I had with my uncle, and I really feel that I'm ready now to let go of all the expectations I have of my family. I feel really goo about where I'm at and am looking really optimistically about good things to come:)

I'm really looking foward to meeting your daughter in December, she sounds delightful, which she would have to be with a great mum like you:) Thanks for thinking of me when you knew she was coming to Hobart.

I've just completed my final exam for the Uni year, and I feel so great about it. All the hard work has payed off, and I have more certainty than I've ever had about where I'm heading. It's so nice to be in full control of my life, a really great feeling:)

Well, thanks again for your kind supportive words, hope to hear from you when you've time. Take care luv from v xx

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Sabotaging one's life...

by Frog in

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i think that if i don't take the time to post this one out of me i may very well implode:(.

gosh i feel so bloody awful at the moment, and i apologise for laying this on my friends here when i know you all have your own ordeals to deal with.. i've been feeling intensley anxious lately about going home to visit my family at the end of the year.

there's going to be a bit of a family reunion in my home town, which will mainly consist of my immediate family (my never been baptised brother, my disfellowshipped self, and my fence sitter baptised father) and my uncles family (once an elder of 20years, my aunty, their two 20somethings sons who've never been baptised, and my cousin who like me was diss'd a few or so years ago).

Frog

I think that if I don't take the time to post this one out of me I may very well implode:(

Gosh I feel so bloody awful at the moment, and I apologise for laying this on my friends here when I know you all have your own ordeals to deal with.

I've been feeling intensley anxious lately about going home to visit my family at the end of the year. There's going to be a bit of a family reunion in my home town, which will mainly consist of my immediate family (my never been baptised brother, my disfellowshipped self, and my fence sitter baptised father) and my uncles family (once an elder of 20years, my aunty, their two 20somethings sons who've never been baptised, and my cousin who like me was diss'd a few or so years ago). It's just the strangest things that's developed over the past year or so, basically my once elder uncle has invited me back into his home with open arms. They've asked me co-ordinate a family holiday for us to all go away over a weekend to the Island while I'm up there, and have me booking flights for everyone, and are telling me how excited they are to be having everyone home. It's just been all a little too overwhelming for me, considering they have always been so hardline before, and it makes me intensley nervous. My aunty sent me a text message to ask me to if she call call me at home that night to discuss something. My immediate (sounds irrational, but is rational to me) feeling was that her and my uncle had talked about the situation and were retracking their offer in good conscience. This is of course was far from the case when she called, she just had more flights for me to book, and more talk of how excited she was that we were all going to be home. I've dwelled on it since then, and last night was incredibly upset about the whole thing. It seems like I'm sabotaging my life when good things come my way, but I find the situation so intensley confusing emotionally. It just feels like I'm walking a fine line where they could give or take me at any moment. I decided to call my uncle last night (in a pretty distressed state mind you) and we spoke for an hour about the whole situation. I believe I articulated myself very well, and he understood very well where I was coming from. We had a few debates which I was careful not to delve into too much, because I have no intention of making clear my intense anti-jw feelings, especially on the matter of shunning. I just told him that I wanted to know how he and his wife justified it to themselves to start associating with their children again, and with me considering I'm not even an immediate family member. I told him that while I personally do not believe there is any reason for it to be any other way, I am all too well aware of how they feel on the subject, and I asked him for an explanation. I told him that I wasn't prepared to put myself in harms way, and I wanted to know if it was a consious decision on their part, or just a matter of weakness and common sense that had created the change in them. He basically told me that they had been forced to compromise, and with that comes an element of hypocracy. He told me that he's not hiding it from anyone, and that it is for this reason that he is no longer and elder in a teaching position. He told me that of course he's not happy about it, but that the purpose of shunning, to put the person out so that they know what they're missing, in this case clearly hasn't worked. He told me that he still very much believes in the discipline of shunning, and believes that it does many people much good. Then went on to quote me an 80% recovery statistic of those that have left that return. I told him that I firmly disagree with him on this treatment, and that to me it is equivalent with abandonment in your childs greatest hour of need. It's like being a 'fair weather' family, went the going gets tough, they're out of there. I also told him that I believed that the main reason why good jw kids go off the rails in the first place, is because of the fear of failure and pressure they have on them their whole lives. He then went on to liken the situation with disfellowshipped children to heroine addicts (???). I told him not to go there, that the two situations don't warrant direct comparison. I told him that parents of heroine adicts would be mortified if they heard you reducing the intense horribleness of their situations to such that exists so unnecessarily within the jw faith. I had hoped that the conversation would give me some relief, but if anything is has riled me up further and makes me want to have nothing to do with people such as these (who I might add I love very much) who cannot accept that the treatment of me and thousands of you here on the forum is inexcusable. Even though he and his wife have found a way around it, he has sat on possibly hundreds of judicial committees and decided the fate of hundreds of young people who like me and my cousin for a time lost everything we'd ever known and everyone we'd ever loved. And despite being personally able to relate to the destruction that is causes in a family and to those children he can still sit their straight faced and tell me that he firmly believes that the organisation knows what is best. I left the organisation late 2001, was diss'd in May 2003, and with every passing month the anger for the injustice in me goes up another notch. It has consumed me completely now and I don't know how to find a way out of it. I'm supposed to be grateful for what I do have, my father, brother, and my uncle aunty and cousins (plus non-jw family members), but I can't forget the cruelty of having everything taken from me, and I can't accept that I've lost my mother, 2 older sisters, 2 younger sister, and younger brother. The problem of course is that I cannot possibly face these people even though they're welcoming me when they trivialise the causes of my pain and anger, and for a course that I feel so strongly about. If I continue to feel so strongly I'm going to sabotage the potential for anything good to come my way. I can't change these people's mindsets, god knows I've tried, and I try to respect their right to make meaning in whatever way they see fit, but at the end of the day I can't accept their position, as it is in direct oposition to mine. thinking of you all here, as always, luv frog xx