Posts by Bruce144

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Memorial or insult?

by NikL in

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let me preface this with a disclaimer.

i believe in god and a higher spiritual state however i do not believe that god can be encapsulated in any one religion.. that being said, i was thinking the other day about the upsoming high holy day of dubdom, the memorial.. this is where they gather together to ...what?

listen to a talk about the last hours of jesus life and then pass wine and bread around.

Bruce144

Hi,

Once you accept the fact that only the 144,000 make up the body and spiritual church of Christ will you understand why it is only for them. Right now just about all the different churches take of the memorial or last supper. Some often, some less, all claiming to be the church of Christ. This alone should alert us how ridiculous this is. How can they all be right when they disagree about their doctrines and actually hate and fight over certain issues? Granted, the Watchtower has lost the leadership of God but they still adhere to the original teachings. We are living souls, no literal hellfire, Jesus is Michael and only the 144,000 go to heaven. Those beliefs still set them apart from the rest of the world and once they understand just why the 144,000 go to heaven, sense will be made of all the different teachings that separate us from God and the truth.

Only the 144,000 are built upon the 12 apostles the foundation stones of Christ's heavenly church. They are the only ones to be spiritually joined with Christ in heaven as heirs of God and joint heirs of Jesus. Being as they must die first in effect shedding their own blood and fleshly body to join Christ in heaven, only they are invited to partake of their attachment to Christ as part of his spiritual body. Flesh and blood cannot inherit the spiritual heavens and should not even considerer being part of his body by taking the emblems.

Bruce Bainbridge

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Was Eve Deceived?

by Bruce144 in

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i was asked the question, how was eve deceived and not adam?

persons that believe adam and eve were placed in the garden the very same 24 hour day are wrong.

even the society after the 1975 failure, only then did they act upon the fact that eve was placed in the garden sometime after adam.

Bruce144

Hi,

I was asked the question, how was Eve deceived and not Adam? Persons that believe Adam and Eve were placed in the garden the very same 24 hour day are wrong. Even the Society after the 1975 failure, only then did they act upon the fact that Eve was placed in the garden sometime after Adam. In fact, since Armageddon has not taken place yet, and Jehovah's day of rest did not start until Eve was created, 25 years so far has passed between Adam's creation and Eves.

Adam had been alone for those years and he knew what the animals could or not do. During this time the parrots in the garden spoke things that Adam had said. By the time Eve came along their vocabulary was rather extensive. Eve was only in the garden a short time before the serpent spoke to her. Having heard the parrots talking
she was not surprised when the serpent talked.

At 11Cor. 11: 2 it says, "But I am afraid, lest as the serpent deceived Eve by his craftiness, your minds should be led astray from the simplicity and purity of devotion to Christ." That it is why, by one man's sin death was brought upon all of us, and by one man Jesus Christ, the second Adam, that sin is forgiven. Eve was tricked, Adam disobeyed.

Bruce Bainbridge

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Angels Are God's Holy Spirits

by Bruce144 in

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there are many debates about the trinity and jesus being michael the archangel and not much about the holy spirit.

the watchtower has tried so hard to not personalize the holy spirit in fear of the trinity being accepted, they accept only the active force of god as being the holy spirit.

when in reality it is not hard to see that all the angels are god's holy spirits.

Bruce144

Hi,

There are many debates about the Trinity and Jesus being Michael the archangel and not much about the holy spirit. The Watchtower has tried so hard to not personalize the holy spirit in fear of the Trinity being accepted, they accept only the active force of God as being the holy spirit. When in reality it is not hard to see that all the angels are God's holy spirits. Whether one two or a million the angels are all God's holy spirits. All being personal in their own right of being spiritual sons of God.

At Acts 8: 26-29, an angel told Philip about what he should do, and then the Spirit went on to tell him to join the eunuch in the chariot. There isn't any indication that the Spirit and the angel changed places in directing Philip what to do. An angel is shown to be the Spirit.

At Acts 10: 3-7, an angel appears before Cornelius and tells him to send men to get Peter and then the angel departs. Peter then had the dream about the animals, verse 19 shows that the Spirit told Peter to go with the men. Verse 20 shows that the Spirit himself had sent the men. Here again the angel did not change places with the angel. Both spirit and angel are the same spiritual person.

When a large dispute over Paul arose among the Sadducees and Pharisees at Acts 23: 8, angels nor spirits were not acknowledged by the Sadducees. In verse 9, the scribes said, suppose a spirit or an angel has spoken to him?

The distinction between the angels and the holy spirit are one in the same. At Job 38: 7, It shows that all the sons of God shouted for joy. It has been stated that the angels are not sons of God, but just servants. All the angels are the spiritual sons of God, but only Jesus holds the distinction of being both the fleshly Son of God and Michael his spiritual Son.

The holy spirit is described as being he in different places. Verse 26 of john 14 says,
He will teach you all things and bring to you remembrance all that I said to you.
Verse 21 says, He who has My commandments and keeps them, he it is who loves me. No more does the he describing the holy spirit mean one individual, then the he describing the ones keeping Jesus' commandments. There are millions of holy spirits or angels doing the will of Jehovah. Just as there are millions of us trying to learn the will and truth of his words. To sin against the holy spirit is to sin against God by making them one and the same.

Agape, Bruce Bainbridge

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The annual Jehovah's Witness Satanic Ritual

by unclebruce in

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jehovahs witnesses are lovely people, i should know - i officially still am one ... but ... although their great cult leader, judge joseph rutherford, banned them from taking part in the evil pagan celebrations of birthdays and such, there is one ceremony that is ridgedly and solemly adhered to.

the anual celebration of the "lords evening meal".

as most here are aware, each nissan14, kingdom halls around the world are packed to the collection boxes with the 'happiest people on earth'.

Bruce144

Hi Unc,

Only the 144,000 are built upon the 12 apostles the foundation stones of Christ's heavenly church. They are the only ones to be spiritually joined with Christ in heaven as heirs of God and joint heirs of Jesus. Being as they must die first in effect shedding their own blood and fleshly body to join Christ in heaven, only they are invited to partake of their attachment to Christ as part of his spiritual body. Flesh and blood cannot inherit the spiritual heavens and should not even considerer being part of his body by taking the emblems, even in jest, as is being done here.

Bruce Bainbridge

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Doom and despair.

by Norm in

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warning!

to all of you, who live in the awful illusionary realities of the watchtower world, where everything has gotten so much worse since 1914, will hate the following information so i recommend all faithful jehovah's witnesses not to read any further as this could seriously harm your ability to maintain the doom and gloom mindset so carefully projected into your minds by the watchtower literature and at the meetings.

statements like this:.

Bruce144

Hi Ozzie,

I still value the 1914 year with what Jesus said, and not to any 2520 years leading to it or what the Society has changed or not changed. I doubt whether they still use the 7000 for each creative day leading to 48,000 years and the last 1000 years for a total of 49,000 years. This is symbolized by the Jubilee Sabbath at Lev.25, and the turning to things back to normal, beginning the 50,000 years after Satan and the demons and wicked are destroyed. Once again there will be a perfect earth and heaven after a short delay by Satan. Amos 3: 7 shows us that Jehovah will use a prophet to warn us of the things he does. I count on him and not the many changes made by the Watchtower GB for only 6,000,000 Witnesses. Billions will become members of the great crowd when the final message is given.

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Doom and despair.

by Norm in

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friends

warning!

to all of you, who live in the awful illusionary realities of the watchtower world, where everything has gotten so much worse since 1914, will hate the following information so i recommend all faithful jehovah's witnesses not to read any further as this could seriously harm your ability to maintain the doom and gloom mindset so carefully projected into your minds by the watchtower literature and at the meetings.

statements like this:.

Bruce144

Hi Norm,

The extension of life during this century only verifies the 1914 date of this generation being alive to see Armageddon. The extended time allowed by God's medical technology has upgraded the ability to drive cars at 90 and more years of age. Transplants, new knees and hips have added years thought to be dead for those people still collecting Social Security set up in 1935 There is a special view in mind by Jehovah for this generation to see the new world in. After of course the world learns that the 144,000 are replacing the fallen noels.

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Time again!

by Bruce144 in

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time again for me to face the ridicule and you to face the facts that the 144,000 are replacing the fallen angels.

just 21 reasons, not much reading but a lot of facts.. .

1. the fallen angels left their abodes and cohabited with the daughters of men.

Bruce144

Hi Carmel.

The only attention I love, is the attention given by persons to finally understand why the 144,000 are needed in heaven. This added to the fact that Jehovah destroyed the giants along with the dinosaurs at the flood will make their time on earth equal with ours and not 65,000,000 years ago. Growing to such large sizes by evolving and then suddenly being wiped out is a fantasy equal to none known. They were destroyed by God for the purpose of symbolizing the giant offspring, never permitted again by the fallen angels to produce their own children and physically run the world.

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Time again!

by Bruce144 in

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time again for me to face the ridicule and you to face the facts that the 144,000 are replacing the fallen angels.

just 21 reasons, not much reading but a lot of facts.. .

1. the fallen angels left their abodes and cohabited with the daughters of men.

Bruce144

Hi Joelbear,

The 144,000 fallen angels are certainly more convenient than 144,000 selected Jews, especially when Jesus talks of 12 legions or more of angels at Matt. 26: 53.
Twelve thousand from each of the 12 tribes of Israel was the original chosen number of Jews to replace the fallen angels until it was necessary to take in the Gentles to make up the difference.

Gal. 3, shows that both males and females make up the children of Abraham by means of Christ. All virgins to the body of Christ and not all males as some believe. The 24 elders sang a song only to be mastered by the 144,000. The 24 elders are two groups of 144,000 each, or two-thirds that remained faithful. Satan and the demons make up a third of this group or 144,000 that left their abodes and had sex with women. The necessity of having them replaced, is to replace the required amount making up Jehovah's Armies or new heavens complete with perfect angels, followed by an earth with perfect people.

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Time again!

by Bruce144 in

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time again for me to face the ridicule and you to face the facts that the 144,000 are replacing the fallen angels.

just 21 reasons, not much reading but a lot of facts.. .

1. the fallen angels left their abodes and cohabited with the daughters of men.

Bruce144

Hi all.

Time again for me to face the ridicule and you to face the facts that the 144,000 are replacing the fallen angels. Just 21 reasons, not much reading but a lot of facts.

1. The fallen angels left their abodes and cohabited with the daughters of men. Jude 6, Gen. 6: 2-4

2. They were placed into Tartarus, after the flood, a lower debased position. Still having access to both heaven and earth. Job 1: 6, 11Pet. 2: 5.

3. Jesus preached to them once he went to heaven, the spirits that were disobedient before the flood, while the ark was being built. 1Pet. 3: 19,20.

4. The children of the fallen angels were giants. Jehovah allowed 120 years until he would destroy the world of wicked people and the Giants. Gen. 6: 3,4

5. The unclean animals represent the Gentiles, the clean animals the Israelites. The beginning of the separation between the Jews and Gentiles. Lev. 20: 25,26

6. God told Noah to take 14 each of the clean animals, male and female by sevens, going into the ark by twos. Gen. 7: 2,8,9

7. There were three types of people before the flood. The fallen angels, their giant children and Adam and Eves offspring. Only the clean and unclean, representing the Gentiles and Israelites, were taken into the ark, those to populate the cleansed earth. Gen. 7: 2,8,9 also (Symbolic)

8. The dinosaurs were left behind to represent the large giants, never again to inhabit the earth. The saber-toothed tiger, mastodon, mammoth, giant ground sloth, wholly rhinoceros and spices of birds were left behind to picture the fallen angels. Symbolic and scientific. The dinosaurs and other animals listed, all died at the flood.

9. The twelve extra clean animals represent the 144,000 as a replacement, for the fallen angels to be taken from the 12 tribes of Israel. They were the sheep, goats, antelope, deer, cattle and a variety of game birds. Lev. 11: 2-7.

10. Peter's dream about the clean and unclean animals would now allow the Gentiles to be part of the 144,000. Starting with the house of Cornelius. After Jesus' death the Jews becoming Christians were few and far between. Acts 10: 11-35

11. Jesus told us how the legions of angels are numbered, 12 legions or more. The number shown in some Bibles is 72,000. This is man's number, 6000 men to each Roman legion. Jehovah's number is 12 or 12,000 to each legion, numbering 144,000. Matt. 26: 53.

12. The Society says that the 24 angels throughout Rev. are the 144,000 in their heavenly places. The 24 elders sang a new song only to be mastered by the 144,000. The 24 elders are two groups of 12 and not one group of 24. Rev. 5: 9,10 Rev. 14: 3

13. Satan took a third of 36 legions or 12 legions of 12,000 each. The two groups of 12 remained in heaven. The strong three strand cord at Ecc.4: 11,12 shown not to be easily broken, pictures the breaking apart of the 36 legions. Satan now stands alone.

14. The 4 angels with the 24 elders are seraphim not cherubs as the Society teaches. They have six wings as stated at Rev. 4: 8 and Isa. 6: 2.

15. Satan was a cherub angel and would suggest that he was one of 4, being a cherub angel, if the Society was right. Satan was one of 12. When Jesus said, have I not chosen you 12 and one of you is a devil, this related directly to Judas, but was also symbolic of Satan becoming a devil among 12 elders. Eze. 28: 14, John 6: 70.

16. That is why the 144,000 are build upon the 12 apostles, the foundation stones of the Church of Christ and Jesus being the corner stone. Eph. 2: 19,20. Rev. 21: 14.

17. When Jesus prepared a place in heaven for the 144,000 he first had to get rid of the wicked angels. Only after doing this could he call the 144,000 to their heavenly places, with the shout and voice of the archangel. 1Thess. 4: 16,

18. Only after sitting on his own glorious throne, could the 12 apostles sit upon theirs. Until that time he sat on the right hand of God, before making his enemies a footstool for his feet, namely the fallen angels. Acts 2: 34, Matt. 19: 28.

19. Only after the places were prepared could the 12 apostles and those of the 144,000 that died in the first century, go to their heavenly places. They had to sleep in death, whereas those of us today upon death go immediately to the prepared places. 1Cor. 15: 51,52.

20. All of the 144,000 must die, whereas members of the great crowd can live forever, once they pass the final judgment at the end of the 1000 years. This alone shows that flesh and blood cannot inherit the heavenly realm, but remain on a perfect new earth. John 11: 26, Isa. 65: 17-25.

21. There are millions of angels in Jehovah's spiritual army, but only those having direct contact with those remaining in heaven or leaving are mentioned throughout Revelation. Michael and his angels threw out the bad, making room for the good. Now Michael with his newly inherited name of Jesus, could call his and his Father's heirs to their prepared places. A perfect heavens, preparing the way for a perfect earth, fulfilling Jesus commission to his Father Jehovah. "With a view to an administration suitable to the fullness of the times, that is, the summing up of all things in Christ, things in the heavens and things upon the earth. In him." (Eph. 1: 10)

Agape, Bruce Bainbridge

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I Can`t Get To Grips With This FDS Thing.

by Englishman in

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i`m trying to understand the process by which jw`s link the "faithful and discreet slave" parable to a belief that this refers to a number of people who will go to heaven ie: 144,000.. also, i am trying to understand how, by extension, some of this number comprise a "governing body" that is at the top of "jehovahs earthly organisation".. i really dont understand how these conclusions are reached and would appreciate some input.

please note that when i posted this question on h20 some months ago i received only 1 reply from friday, who saw fit to ridicule me for my lack of knowledge on this subject.

i still don`t know the answer!

Bruce144

Hi Englishman,

I think after the failed date of 1975 the GB took over all decision making regardless of other's thoughts, to avoid another obvious embarrassment. But their own power allowed only their light to shine putting out any other possible light from others of the 144,000. One case in point is that the 144,000 are replacing the fallen angels. It will be brought out and very soon by a miraculous event.