I never recieved a promise of unconditional love from the JW organization, just that I was granted it from Jehovah. My love for my children is so intense I cannot imagine anything they could do to stop me from loving them. If they did something wrong I wouldn't be able to help but wonder how I'd misguided them, or otherwise fell short as a parent. If I had created them myself I would feel even more responsible. If Jehovah ,as our, father shares the same feelings for his children as I do for mine then there is no myth about the idea of unconditional love. If I had to spend a lifetime, and then perhaps eternity buttkissing trying to stay in the good graces and under the " conditions" of a GOD ( who to boot made me imperfect ) just to gain his love and acceptance, that would be hell enough for me and I would rather be dead. I would not follow such a GOD. If I am wrong and that is the way GOD is then I'll go wherever he keeps his rejects and spend eternity plotting against his vain, pretentious little ass. The one thing that I took from the Jehovah Witnesses that they did not take from me however, is my faith in Jehovah. ALL YOU NEED IS LOVE MY FRIEND!
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The Myth of Unconditional Love
by frankiespeakin in.
i here this a lot all the time.
i think it is one huge myth,,based on a self-biased view.
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What Annoys You???????
by minimus inone of my pet peeves is being behind a too slow driver.
it "drives" me crazy!
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People who always say "I'm bored", Eggheads who overrate their intelligence and underestimate everyone else's, other drivers, head games, self-righteousness, football, unsolicited advice, the way old ladies all have the same hairdo, crybabies and clothing that is supposed to cool becuase it's got someone's name on it-DKNY,Ralph Lauren, Tommy Hilfiger.
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Classism in America?
by under74 ini recently had an experience at school where i felt like the one odd poor class in the room.
the conversation started with homelessness and then gravitated to poor people in general.
there were a lot of weird and false assumptions laid out like "those people walk hunched over" and " they" .....well you get the picture.
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As a child I had a lot of experiences with being excluded or made fun of because I was poor. Some children would follow me home and make fun of me for wearing pro-wings instead of Nikes or would tell other kids not to play with me because I was poor, those kinda things. I know those children had to get their attitudes about poor people from somewhere. As an adult I haven't had the subject come up much socially. I know that it exists in adult circles( there is a wealthy town nearby that doesn't want "standard" power lines running through THEIR town because their ugly) but the vast majority of us don't fall into the elititist snob category and they pretty much wouldn't be caught dead hanging out where the rest of do which is pretty great for the rest of us. I believe there is classism as there has always been, the general mass outnumbering the small percentage of the wealthy, however the juvenile behaviour that accompanies it is generally diplayed by children or those who as adults haven't risen above that level of childish pettiness. No amount of money will buy friends them or happiness, pity them for they will leave this world with the least love and gratification. Most of the time however you'll just be dealing with a bunch of average Joe's.
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Help and advice needed soon , please
by jules99 ini am looking for some advice to hopefully prevent me going mad.
my husband (an elder) was disf?d by the jws 8 years ago for having an affair with me and consequently leaving his wife.
he has 4 grown-up children and 9 grandchildren.
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Remember my fine lady, in death we are washed clean of our sins. The organization's approval meant a lot to your husband, I know, he sought forgiveness and peace of mind. It's too bad their self righteousness and arrogance fog their perspective on how to truly follow Jehovah's will. To forgive is divine. It saddens Jehovah to watch the way people mistreat each other, a god of love would not advocate abandoning your brother when he became weak. You are supposed to support him and help him to become strong again, not leave him stranded by the wayside. Disfellowshipping is manmade, it is not a mandate from Jehovah. They harness a false sense of power, no man is fit to judge his fellow man. They've forgotten the importance of being humble, a good elder plays the role of a shepard providing gentle guidance not attempting to make decisions on behalf of GOD . They do not wield any power over what lies beyond,Jehovah doesn't collect their votes, wherever you husband is going he is going there with or without their acceptance. You do not need them as a catalyst either. It pains me to see the destruction and suffering they cause with their mis-guided notions, they destroy peoples families and people's lives. My heart goes out to you. Bear in mind that GOD is love if everything you see,hear,feel,taste,touch and sense defiles that, how close to the "truth" do you think they are? Take your blinders off,they are no closer to perfection than anyone else, don't let them shame you into or scare you into resigning yourself to a life of misery and despair. That's not what Jehovah would want from you.
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Looking for answers from those more schooled than I
by sassafrass inok, although though i was raised in the jw belief system the entirety of my childhood my parents were jack-jehovahs witnesses if you will and i was never fully immersed in the whole system.
we went when felt like it, i was allowed to fall asleep during meetings, we never went door to door, i was never baptised and so on.
sooo i never had a real solid understanding of the reasons behind why we believed certain things.
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OK, although though I was raised in the JW belief system the entirety of my childhood my parents were Jack-Jehovahs witnesses if you will and I was never fully immersed in the whole system. We went when felt like it, I was allowed to fall asleep during meetings, we never went door to door, I was never baptised and so on. Sooo I never had a real solid understanding of the reasons behind why we believed certain things. Recently these 3 things came up in conversation and I found I could not accurately recall the basis behind them:
1. Why we don't celebrate X-mas
2. Why we don't celebrate birthdays
3. The biblical reasons we were against blood transfusions
Would anyone care to give me a refresher course?
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Welcome My Sister!!! Sassafrass!
by maybesbabies inhey all, another of our sisters is here online!
please give a warm welcome to sassafrass (am i spelling that right sis?
to whoever was mean to her in chat, that's a real great way to welcome newbies, jerk.
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Welcome Sassafrass!
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I found a big ol' fat lie again in there!
by gumby insome big fat liar made sumthin up again!
looky here what i went and found in the bible!
remember that little dove that desended down on jesus right after he was baptised by john?
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Hey, I'm a newbie. Gumby I've always had issues with the bible but I am not coming from the angle that it is full of big ol' lies so much as I doubt the validity of it's content as we read it today or maybe even any other day. First off what man among us was able to verify with such certainty the sources of these writings. Then after interpreting it from so many other languages, especially after certain persons with vested interests in control masses of people through fear via religion through their 2 cents in, how much of the true meaning was left. I know that huevos in Spanish means eggs however if you asked a man in Mexico to sell you some of his huevos he may think you are propositioning him, better use blancitos. Finally it is all subject to interpretation. I mean what a jumbled mess! So much of the bible doesn't make sense to me. I've always wondered why we needed such a thick book to tell us how and why to behave when if we use our enlightened natural human emotions they already make an excellent guide. That and did Adam and Eve have belly buttons and when did we get picky about sleeping with our siblings and cousins etc?
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I completely agree with Big Tex. For one thing everyone has parents. My parents have parents their parents have parents so on and so on. If I blame my parents for how I turned out they can turn and blame their parents and the chain of blame can move upward into infinity without any final accountability. While there is no doubt we are affected by how we are treated as children when we reach the level that we are concious of how we are affected, then becomes our enigma as to what to do about it. I have to say I've been some of all three types that Tex described. My sisters and I have made a pact not to pass this "legacy" down to our children. Most of my siblings have decided not to have children. I have to admit there are times that I feel anger swell up inside me and I have to put all my effort into diffusing it. It scares me, there are lots of things I've said in anger that I can't take back. My upbringing also left me clueless as to how to have a functional relationship with the opposite sex as well as giving me a huge inferiority complex and social anxiety. My parents weren't bad people they just hadn't gotten a handle on how to cope with the things they'd endured themselves. Now it's in my hands. I know as time goes I will need more help with it and I will seek it out. I know I won't be perfect but I intend on straining of much of the nastiness out as I can so that what I may pass down will be smaller and so on and so forth...Parents. Someone has to take responsibility if anything is to change and we can't keep looking towards someone else to do it. Forgiveness is key so that you won't continue to pack it with you eventually dumping it off on someone else. Don't blame parents or use it as a crutch, Become who you are proud to be.