Posts by stevenyc

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The org is going down----I can feel it!

by stopthepain in

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my brother called me today.he is 20 ,3 years younger than me,and out of the religion.he still has fear though that it could be true,but thats another story.. he told me he heard my mother and father talking upstairs.my mother said about the org "ive put 26 years into it,i think i'm done with it,i might just go sunday from now on".this is huge ,because she was a devoted nutjob witness.she made my life horrible for the 1st 17 years of my life.i had been trying to suddly tell her the truth about the troof,but i didn't expect this.i'm happy and yet i want to know where she stands with the borganization.. this along with what seems to be an outpouring of similar stories,i have a gut feeling the jehovahs witness mind control cult is on the brink of implosion.everyone is so burdened by it.the jig is up,gb,good riddance when you fold.the rank and file have had enough.my 2 younger sisters are on the edge of mental freedom.i hope they can fully get free of it.. this is a milestone in my families long and strange trip in mental enslavement!!!!!!!!!!!!

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stevenyc

Yeah, but things are looking bleak for the tobacco industry too

I agree with you, however, fifty years ago the tobacco indestry knew their product killed people. They still maintain a highly profitable business with a constant stream of new recruits when it should have died out in the sixties. The styles of their comercials and advertising changed with the times.

You ~~will see~~ are seeing the org. change its structure and message / its style of comercials and advertising, and it will attract many more people before its demise. I'd give it at least another fifty years.

steve.

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The org is going down----I can feel it!

by stopthepain in

jw
friends

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my brother called me today.he is 20 ,3 years younger than me,and out of the religion.he still has fear though that it could be true,but thats another story.. he told me he heard my mother and father talking upstairs.my mother said about the org "ive put 26 years into it,i think i'm done with it,i might just go sunday from now on".this is huge ,because she was a devoted nutjob witness.she made my life horrible for the 1st 17 years of my life.i had been trying to suddly tell her the truth about the troof,but i didn't expect this.i'm happy and yet i want to know where she stands with the borganization.. this along with what seems to be an outpouring of similar stories,i have a gut feeling the jehovahs witness mind control cult is on the brink of implosion.everyone is so burdened by it.the jig is up,gb,good riddance when you fold.the rank and file have had enough.my 2 younger sisters are on the edge of mental freedom.i hope they can fully get free of it.. this is a milestone in my families long and strange trip in mental enslavement!!!!!!!!!!!!

!

stevenyc

Wealthy organizations always find a way to replenish lost customers, take a look at the tobacco industry for the last fifty years. So, I don't think the end is nigh for the WTBTS. Remember Holly, she asked all the right questions of someone truly looking for the truth, and got the answers that would make most people think twice about joining this perticular cult, however, she's gone.

steve.

p.s. if your lurking holly, I hope you find what your looking for.

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songs to leave by

by spider in

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when you were leaving the witnesses, were there songs you liked to play which expressed something of what you were feeling?.

here are the tracks which i turned up and sang to:.

who wants to live forever?

stevenyc

There's the other REM classic

Its The End Of The World As We Know It(And I Feel Fine)

steve

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Do We Really Have Free Will?

by frankiespeakin in

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i personally don't think so.

the reason why i say this is because we don't know where our conscious thoughts come from.

what i mean is,,that before a thought comes into our consciousness where was it and why did it come into the conscious?

stevenyc

John Stuart Mill, of his own free will
On half a pint of shandy was particularly ill

steve.

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The British NHS........ What is your view?

by ScoobySnax in

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the nhs is a hot issue at present with the forthcoming uk elections pending in may, both main parties are trying to monopolise the issue of our health service.

it is a unique service where faults of course can be found (as in the current news story) but having worked and given my best for the last 15 years in it, i feel proud of it.

what experience do you/have you had of the nhs?

stevenyc

Im a brit ex-pat living the US. The NHS a an amazing system (I think the second largest employer in the world after the chineese army?). The US system is excelent if you have money. I'm talking around $350 a month per adult. I lived many years with no health insurance becuse I could'nt afford it. I have a couple of friends still paying their health bills from over six years ago with no end in sight.

If in the UK you can afford suplimentary private health care then you'll get a similar service to what you get here. However, if you can't you will still get FREE emergency care, and yes you may get put on a waiting list, but its better than NO list. And prescription drug coverage. eg I needed some sleeping pills a couple of years ago, $120 for two weeks!

steve.

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Going out with a bang

by LittleToe in

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after much deliberation, i decided to go "out" at the end of a public talk.

it didn't go down too well, but at least i was able to give some of my reasons for leaving.. i've put some of the details on my homepage.

i'll update it more when i get the time and the strength.

stevenyc

Speachless,

steve.

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Who really believes this stuff?

by trevor in

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this poor guy called adam (no surname) starts his life as the only human on the planet with no mother or father, brother or sisters or grandparents.

he wanders around unaware that he is naked and could do with a little support.

being first is good but it can get lonely.

stevenyc

I don't blame eve, god gave them a language and the mental process of reason with ALL the thoughts for survival. They couldn't develope a natural 'free will' decission process because they were invented/created as adult humans, not raised from childbirth. So ANY mistakes made are the resposibility of the designer that imprinted their thought patterns. No getting around it. Its JEHOVAHS Fault that we're suffering and millions now living will die. (does this make me an apostate of the highest order??)

steve.

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Judas at Lord's Evening Meal?

by LittleToe in

just a quick question.. does anyone know what the wts had to say about judas' presence at the last supper, before 1935?.

(documentary proof would be nice, too).

this is one of the arguments that the wts uses to support only 144,000 partakers of the "lord's evening meal".. i'm of the belief that he was at the supper, had his feet washed and enjoyed the meal, but was sent away before the "new covenant" was established (so he missed the specific partaking of the bread and wine).

stevenyc

Luke made an error that he corrected. After all they did not have correction fluids like we have now

Sounds interesting, can you explain your reasoning. I'm assuming you are saying that Luke corrected himself.

steve.

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Judas at Lord's Evening Meal?

by LittleToe in

just a quick question.. does anyone know what the wts had to say about judas' presence at the last supper, before 1935?.

(documentary proof would be nice, too).

this is one of the arguments that the wts uses to support only 144,000 partakers of the "lord's evening meal".. i'm of the belief that he was at the supper, had his feet washed and enjoyed the meal, but was sent away before the "new covenant" was established (so he missed the specific partaking of the bread and wine).

stevenyc

The society says that Matthew and Mark were eyewitnesses to the events but Luke wasn?t so he?s got it mixed up. If they're strong believers in these ?eye-witnesses? then how do they account for a large portion of ?their? books being written on hearsay?
I don?t think the ?all inspired? tag line will work, because they say the Luke got the chronology wrong with regards the last supper.

Any thoughts?

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Judas at Lord's Evening Meal?

by LittleToe in

just a quick question.. does anyone know what the wts had to say about judas' presence at the last supper, before 1935?.

(documentary proof would be nice, too).

this is one of the arguments that the wts uses to support only 144,000 partakers of the "lord's evening meal".. i'm of the belief that he was at the supper, had his feet washed and enjoyed the meal, but was sent away before the "new covenant" was established (so he missed the specific partaking of the bread and wine).

stevenyc

LT

With a name like Judas you think they would've known he would betray them.

steve.