Valis,
I've told you before, if you don't get that hair cut and remove your beard I'm going to have to consider taking you off the ministry school routa!
steve
ps, great pic's - looks like you had a lot of fun.
just thought i would share some of my pics from this past week in the show me state...ended up bringing home 56 lovely trout.....will probably have a fish fry soon so stay tuned!
heading out for 4th of july with the kids in south texas on friday...w00t!
show us your vacation pics or what you are doing this summer for fun.. .
Valis,
I've told you before, if you don't get that hair cut and remove your beard I'm going to have to consider taking you off the ministry school routa!
steve
ps, great pic's - looks like you had a lot of fun.
personally, i play tennis about 5 times per week , especially in the summertime.
what's your favorite sport to play or watch?
?
sailing, snowboarding, sportbikes, soccer
steve
i was driving in my brothers car with him about 5 years ago (hes now an elder), we were in the middle of a row when he turned to me and told me that when i die at armageddon that i dont need to worry because he said he will look after my kids, this upset me to the point that i made him stop the car and i got out.
a friend of mine (who is a jw) i spoke to about it told me that he was just trying to be cruel and then went on to tell me that any children who are a part of a witness family would die at armageddon.
i would like to know if anyone knows if this true ?
Adonijah,
With deepest respect, just becuase other religions / organizations / and cults have done and do terrible things to children and families is NO excuse for defending the Watchtower corperations "persuasive" tacticks.
steve
hey, my friends is a jehovah's witness, and his parents are strict about who he can and cannot see, we are very close, and i wish we could see more of each other!
i know we would be allowed to if i was his religion!
how could i convert and what would i have to do, and how long would it take?
Adonijah, you said :various ADVENTIST groups have also done the same
You ARE an adventist group
steve
i was driving in my brothers car with him about 5 years ago (hes now an elder), we were in the middle of a row when he turned to me and told me that when i die at armageddon that i dont need to worry because he said he will look after my kids, this upset me to the point that i made him stop the car and i got out.
a friend of mine (who is a jw) i spoke to about it told me that he was just trying to be cruel and then went on to tell me that any children who are a part of a witness family would die at armageddon.
i would like to know if anyone knows if this true ?
Dontno
Hi and welcome to JWD.
The respose from your brother is a well known JDub tactick to force you back to the cult. It is a "when all else fails" tactick. There is no way you would ever want you kids to suffer. And, the guilt of knowing your actions would cause that pulls many parents back into a cult.
It is unethical in the extreme.
You sound like you still believe in the possibility that the Watchtower organization may be correct, and the big "A" is "just around the corner". So, I'll give you a little advise if I may.
Firstly, - YOUR CHILDREN ARE NOT GOING TO DIE AT ARMAGEDDON!! This whole teaching is a misrepresentation of the scriptures.
Secondly, - Keep in contact with us here at JDW and when ANY fears like this occure, post them and talk to some of the members here. You'll be surprised at the similarity of experiences to yours. In the late sixties, my mother difted away from the Watchtower organization and had an elder visit her and said that her actions will cost the lives of her children. She went back.
Thirdly, - Do a little research on the Watchtower organization. When you start to look at its history, infulences, how the control has changed, where they got/get their doctrines from, how much money they are worth and how much they make, what the Watchtower corperations primary goals are, who they have and do associate with, then you'll start to see them for REAL.
Fourthly, - Just stick around here are read post and join in for some fun and/or research.
I hope this helps you a little
Take care
steve.
PS. Just to reiterate it [Your children ARE NOT going to die at Armageddon!
cons.
i don't know who is scarier, the jw's or some people on this board.
man, r u guys bitter?
Hey smelly, you said: So in truth your hatred of the org is greater than your love of your family
I'm sorry mate, but you are either; very naive, very stupid, or antagonistic. Leaving an organization is not necessarily out of hatred. For example, if you choose to leave this forum, by your own admition, you would not do so not out of hatred. You appear to be fixated on the hatred people have here, and yes there is quite a bit, however, many of us left after recognition of the falsity of its masquerade. If you choose a different path in life to your parents, say become a doctor instead of an engineer, and they choose to shun you over this, who’s being silly. How many posts have you read where people, after leaving or being disfellowshipped, have tried to keep in contact with their friends and families, only in return got kicked into the gutter.
How many ordinary ‘worldly’ people do you know, and are very close to, that decide to defame you because in the end you told them that cheese cake is more preferable to you than pumpkin pie.
Many of us, myself included, were brought up in the Watchtower organization. When given the choice of life or death, we chose life. How can you possibly defer responsibility of the despicable act of disfellowshipping from Jehovahs witnesses to those that discover they need a different path.
You’ve stated that you have read up on much of the information showing the watchtower organization is false. By you own admition. And, yet, you still talk about returning because it’s no big deal. So who are you? Your opening statements, even though retracted, scream TROLL. You subsequently eased people along with some good thought-out comments, and them BAM! Another idiotic TROLL statement. Reading your comments throughout this thread, to me, you sound like a younger Jdub having fun with the apostates.
I mean no ill will, bitterness, or hatred, towards you, or any other rank and file Jehovah’s Witness.
Take care
steve
... and evolution, by the way.
if we were designed by an intelligent creator, why the heck do we light-skinned people get burnt to death when the sun is shining?
not very intelligent design... .
Google:
If we were designed by an intelligent creator, why the heck do we light-skinned people get burnt to death when the sun is shining? not very intelligent design...
Your forgetting the earth orgininally had a water canopy that was used for the flood!
steve
hey mate, don't mean to pick on you, but i know you are a good sport.
;) to all other non-believers, this thread is also for you..
it seems you always want proof and evidence of some kind of afterlife, but always have a "reasonable explanation" for any evidence put forth.
cons.
i don't know who is scarier, the jw's or some people on this board.
man, r u guys bitter?
honesty
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I think they'll overshoot 35.776076 Lat. -83.818897 Long steve
cons.
i don't know who is scarier, the jw's or some people on this board.
man, r u guys bitter?
Honesty,
Two black hawks just took off from columbia heights, and they're heading your way!
steve