i was reading jay's 20-part story over on freeminds.
amazing stuff.. at one part he says "then sometime later a time magazine article was released which discussed what happened with ray franz.
in a subsequent issue of time, i also saw a letter from ray franz where he clarified some aspects of the original story.".
I was reading Jay's 20-part story over on FreeMinds. Amazing stuff.
At one part he says "Then sometime later a Time magazine article was released which discussed what happened with Ray Franz. In a subsequent issue of Time, I also saw a letter from Ray Franz where he clarified some aspects of the original story."
Does anyone have this article(s)?
Thanks in advance,
-ithinkisee
let them talk, friends.
so, when you talk to people and they start telling you about this, say, "well we, we lost 14, too.
now how long this is going to stay open we don't know.
Ciro is one of those guys that just says what is on his mind, and even if it is rude, crude, offensive or sarcastic he can just say it. I was in his congregation in Brooklyn at one time and I called one day and asked him why he wasn't at meeting - like if he was sick or something. He called back and gushed over how thoughtful it was of me to call. After that I was his buddy and he took me under his wing. He told me alot about the UN card and he would take me out to visit his mother at a nursing home in Yonkers. He showed me the streetlight he was standing under when he first heard "The Truth". He let me housesit his room at Bethel when he was out of town. Invited me over to dinner with him and Dottie often.
He is a performer first and foremost and the Society used him for that often. That way even if he said something wrong, they could say "Oh c'mon. . .that's just Ciro."
When I finally left Bethel to get married he sort of disowned me as his little prodigy. Even when I went back to temp work a couple of times he gave me the cold shoulder. Kinda like what's gonna happen to me in the near future on a larger scale I'm afraid(see my other thread).
I still have alot of love in my heart for Ciro. He didn't really play the doublespeak game like the others. While his talks are all over the place and haphazard -"it's just Ciro" and I don't think should be seen as something the WTBS sees as valid reasoning most of the time. In actuality, he was a breath of fresh air for me when I was feeling very institutionalized at Bethel.
-ithinkisee
just for a moment try not to be a bitter, twisted, hate spewing apostate and read this....... .
by erin concors, tribune .
jerry and crystal baxter still look back on their first major argument as newlyweds and laugh.
The sad part is, that you could replace a couple of words in that sentence with any other evangelical or fundamentalist type religion:
"The Scottsdale couple reflected on that and other memories Friday in their Scottsdale home, where Sunday they will quietly celebrate their 75th anniversary, receiving calls and visits from friends. The Baxters said their faith as Southern Baptists and shared belief in the Bible have been their keys to a strong marriage. "
The JW's have no monopoly on happy marriages - though they would like to think they do.
-ithinkisee
let them talk, friends.
so, when you talk to people and they start telling you about this, say, "well we, we lost 14, too.
now how long this is going to stay open we don't know.
Heh. I like how he mentions the UN and US are working SO CLOSELY together to root out terrorism.
Yeah, those Republicans really love the UN. . . .not.
-ithinkisee
.and i just thought they were so on top of disaster relief around the world because they cared.
but when i heard this a lightbulb went off in my head:.
we just had our co visit, and our co is the guy that was the head of hurricane relief in punta gorda, florida.
It's no surprise that the WT is running that scam again. They did it in Houston when TS Allison literally left the whole city underwater a few years ago. They had this one specific brother whose company was set-up to provide invoices and launder checks through from mortgatge holders that required itemized statements from contractors. The caveate was that to take advantage of this "service" you had to agree to donate the greater portion of the check to the soceity
Is this legal?
-ithinkisee
.and i just thought they were so on top of disaster relief around the world because they cared.
but when i heard this a lightbulb went off in my head:.
we just had our co visit, and our co is the guy that was the head of hurricane relief in punta gorda, florida.
. . . .and I just thought they were SO on top of disaster relief around the world because they cared.
But when I heard this a lightbulb went off in my head:
We just had our CO visit, and our CO is THE GUY that was the head of Hurricane Relief in Punta Gorda, Florida.
On two specific occasions in his Sunday post-WT talk he made it clear that - even though it wasn't required - that it was expected that people would donate their insurance check to the Society.
He worked it in like this (I'm quoting from memory):
". . and when the repairs were done the family was so thankful and were thanking us over and over again as they were writing out their check to the Society for the insurance amount - in fact - I don't really know ANYBODY who hasn't donated their Insurance check to the Society. . . ." (and then continues on with the great work the Hurricane Relief People are doing).
He reiterated it again at the end of his talk.
He even went on to encourage the brothers NOT to use worldly companies because there was a likely chance they would be scammed or swindled.
The stats were that over 1400 WT Families needed new roofs - and that was just roofs. There was lots of other families with just property damages, water damages, structural damages, etc.
My thoughts is that if someone gets a $7k or $10k check (some got even more - some luxury houses had six-figure claims) and then pays for the roofing supplies and donates the remainder to the Society. . . .you do the math.
Even on the conservative side it's ALOT of money.
Even if the Society pays for a handful of people who DON'T have insurance, and builds their roof outright. . . .it doesn't matter. . .a grand or two for the supplies from the millions they are collecting is not a big deal.
- ithinkisee
many of us have spouses within & outside of the borg.
others are married to those who never shared our beliefs.
for those who are no longer practicing jw's, how are you navigating your relationships with your spouses or signifigant others?
I haven't broken the news to my wife yet, but when I do it is gonna be a big pain in the ass.
We are in one of those families that is related to everyone in all the surrounding congregations. I was also at Bethel for a few years in the early-mid 90's and was at a prominent congo there where GB members went to, and some of the "heavies" took me under their wings.
However, I grew up in a "divided" household, where my mom was a Witness and my dad wasn't. I used to see the condescending looks Witnesses would give him as the "evil unbelieving spouse" and then they would go with the complete opposite tactic and try and invite him to do stuff and "take an interest" in him. HOwever, my dad has an innate skill for seeing right through people and he knew it wasn't sincere.
Basically, when I tell my wife I am going to do my best to help her see the "real" truth. If she cannot, then I cannot stay, and that means leaving her and my two beautiful daughters of 7 and 4 years of age. It gives me a lump in my throat just to think about it.
I don't even want to stay in the same town, because all the looks of everyone will just bug the crap out of me. I want to be able to go out at night and not worry that a group of Witnesses are gonna be rolling their eyes at me and pointing and whispering. I know because I have done the same thing before.
I'm rambling and I'm sorry. I'll stop now. Just a million thoughts running through my head.
Thanks,
ithinkisee
http://members.aol.com/beyondjw/da.htm
in this disassociation letter example it says the following:.
"at one time, all blood products were unacceptable.
http://members.aol.com/beyondjw/da.htm
In this disassociation letter example it says the following:
"At one time, all blood products were unacceptable. Later, it was acceptable to take one transfusion (considered as medicine, not nutrition). Later still, "small amounts" were allowed, then not even minute fractions were allowed. Other changes followed. Is this evidence of guidance from the God who never changes? Is the light "growing brighter" when "new light" reverts back to "old light"?"
In what publications does it talk about allowing blood transfusions? I have been researching and could not find this.
Did the Society then say you could take "one" transfusion? I am having a hard time finding this as well.
Thanks in advance for your help.
DM
someone on this site mentioned they got a km off ebay that praised those that sold all their belongings and preached.. does anyone know which km that was?.
interesting, when going through the society's cd-rom i noticed that the drama for the district convention in 1975 was about noah's ark and was something along the lines of "there's still time left!
" (i'm paraphrasing).. -dm
Thanks for that!
-ithinkisee
someone on this site mentioned they got a km off ebay that praised those that sold all their belongings and preached.. does anyone know which km that was?.
interesting, when going through the society's cd-rom i noticed that the drama for the district convention in 1975 was about noah's ark and was something along the lines of "there's still time left!
" (i'm paraphrasing).. -dm
Someone on this site mentioned they got a KM off eBay that praised those that sold all their belongings and preached.
Does anyone know which KM that was?
Interesting, when going through the Society's CD-ROM I noticed that the drama for the District convention in 1975 was about Noah's Ark and was something along the lines of "There's Still Time Left!" (I'm paraphrasing).
-DM
