Posts by ithinkisee

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Voting on the Governing Body due to advanced age

by frankiespeakin in

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i think we need to remember that most of the gb are about ready to kick the bucket, and that effects the way they will try to steer the organization because they have the majority of the vote they are not thinking very long term.. they must know all thier failed predictions and that the end is not really close,, so really they are concerned only about thier own a$$es and want to have a nice position of power and prestiegde up until they die.

they really don't give a rat ass what happens to the org or the publishers when they are dead and gone.

the younger ones(minority) may have concerns that stretch a little more into the future, but only as far as they personally will live.. if we keep in mind the advanced age of these men we may better understand thier voting patern, which should reflect each ones private concerns.

ithinkisee

Slimboyfat,

I believe many of them still believe it is the Truth. But I think Jaracz takes the cold, calculating course. He is a disciplinarian. That is how he expresses his love. I have fleshly family members that are the same way. I don't doubt their love though. In fact it is usually fear and love that cause some people to become so strict and regimented and controlling and suspicious. Something in their life made them that way, and it wasn't holy spirit.

If you knew Jaracz at all or had to sit through dozens of his tirades you would know that. Don't worry, I don't expect you to understand. I must tell you that when I have looked in his eyes, I felt a dark force ... something really scary. And that was when I was a dyed in the wool JW.

Plus SlimBoyFat - just remember that many of the 'postates on this site don't really mean some of the harsh things they say - it is the result of being a pent-up spring in the congregation (to use an age-old JW illustration), not able to ask questions or express true feelings. Some come to this site and it just gushes out. I know I personally vascillate back and forth between feeling sorry for JWs and then being angry with them ... depending on the stresses of life and stresses of being a JW.

That being said .... I doubt you will get an apology from IP_Sec about hoping Jaracz would keel over ... and I can't say that I blame him ... heh.

-ithinkisee

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Voting on the Governing Body due to advanced age

by frankiespeakin in

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friends

i think we need to remember that most of the gb are about ready to kick the bucket, and that effects the way they will try to steer the organization because they have the majority of the vote they are not thinking very long term.. they must know all thier failed predictions and that the end is not really close,, so really they are concerned only about thier own a$$es and want to have a nice position of power and prestiegde up until they die.

they really don't give a rat ass what happens to the org or the publishers when they are dead and gone.

the younger ones(minority) may have concerns that stretch a little more into the future, but only as far as they personally will live.. if we keep in mind the advanced age of these men we may better understand thier voting patern, which should reflect each ones private concerns.

ithinkisee

The thing is ... these newer GB members are merely regurgitating the stuff from the old guard.

If any of you have heard Lett or Loesch give talks ... they sound so completely out of touch and such followers of the old guard. None of them seem to in any way have the same haughtiness of Schroeder, Sydlik, Jaracz, Franz, Rutherford, Knorr, etc.

I have a gut feeling these guys are scared sh*tless about what to do when the old guard is not around anymore for guidance. I'm not saying the Society is gonna crumble away - but I just get a feeling they are nothing more than a product of a flawed system.

Speaking of Jaracz .... funny story ... when I was a Bethelite and I first saw Jaracz on the monitors at breakfast conducting "Morning Worshit" I was not aware that he was a Governing Body member. I do remember thinking he had a cold, soul-less, and evil looking eyes. And his comments on the day's text always seemed both guarded and accusatory. Frankly, as a new Bethelite he gave me the creeps.

To hear that he is now the current figurehead for the Society is very scary indeed.

-ithinkisee

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Was it really so peaceful prior to 1914?

by ithinkisee in

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was it really so peaceful before 1914?.

the society loves to claim there was an unprecedented amount of peace prior to 1914 and that wwi was a complete shock to the world when it began.

yet history claims otherwise:.

ithinkisee

Luna2 said: I'm not a history buff, but I think there was a lot of optimism back then, at least in developed nations.

Right, but I think there always is a lot of optimism right before, and right after the turn of a century ... like today in 2005.

The turn of a century is always a nice way to wipe the slate clean and start fresh.

-ithinkisee

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Did Gentile Christians celebrate holidays and stuff? Evidence?

by ithinkisee in

does anyone have some good references i can look up on some specific differences between gentile and jewish christians in the first century?.

the reason i ask is because i get the impression from the scriptures that the gentile christians probably even celebrated worldly holidays and attended pagan festivals still - while the jewish christians did not.

perhaps they even looked and dressed differently.

ithinkisee

bob1999 said: How would a instruction booklet helf us do the right thing when the right thing needs to come from the heart, not the head.

That is a beautiful line. Thanks for that.

-ithinkisee

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Was it really so peaceful prior to 1914?

by ithinkisee in

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friends

was it really so peaceful before 1914?.

the society loves to claim there was an unprecedented amount of peace prior to 1914 and that wwi was a complete shock to the world when it began.

yet history claims otherwise:.

ithinkisee

Great one! Keep em coming! That's perfect.

Thanks,

-ithinkisee

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the Church of the Nazarene convention

by mrsjones5 in

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i read this article and this church so puts the jws to shame.

read on...

ithinkisee

This is a great article! Thanks so much for posting it. I would like a lot more articles like this. Does anyone on this site collect articles like this?

I like to take articles like this and run them through Acrobat Distiller, save as a PDF and print out. That way it looks legitimate when I show them to people, not just a WORD doc or something.

Are there any sites on the web with statistics of worldwide missionary work by Christendom? I would love to see it.

Thanks,

-ithinkisee

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Up to our elbows in Newbs on JWD

by IP_SEC in

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wow, what's going on here?

i look at all the new folk here that seem to have joined in the past 2 months and are posters who are under 100 posts and i gotta wonder why.. has something happened in dubland recently to cause a lot of folk to reach out?

if you are new here at jwd, how did you find us?

ithinkisee

IP_SEC said: Was there a "fear the apostate! fear the web" part on the DC this year?

Yes.

One speaker said, "No doubt Satan has been waiting for years for a device to come along like the Internet that can link up complete strangers to use and manipulate for his purpose."

I don't remember if this was a manuscript talk or not (one can usually tell).

Also, that is not an EXACT quote ... only a recollection. I am confident that I did not exaggerate the quote though ... it really was THAT strong.

-ithinkisee

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Was it really so peaceful prior to 1914?

by ithinkisee in

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friends

was it really so peaceful before 1914?.

the society loves to claim there was an unprecedented amount of peace prior to 1914 and that wwi was a complete shock to the world when it began.

yet history claims otherwise:.

ithinkisee

Was it really so peaceful before 1914?

The Society loves to claim there was an unprecedented amount of peace prior to 1914 and that WWI was a complete shock to the world when it began. Yet history claims otherwise:

1871 Otto von Bismarck - Lord High Chancellor of Germany
declared that a "Great War" would come one day.

Quoted by I.F. Clarke in Voices Prophesying War 1763-1984 (London:Oxford University Press, 1966), pp66,67"Black and White" English Publication
"The air is full of rumors of War. The European nations stand fully armed and prepared for instant mobilization. Authorities are agreed that a GREAT WAR must break out in the immediate future, and that this War will be fought under novel and surprising conditions. ALl facts seem to indicate that the coming conflict will be the bloodiest in history, and must involve the momentous consequences to the whole world. At any time the incident may occur which will precipitate disaster."

From 1871 onwards the major European powers prepared for the great war that Bismarck had said would come one day. And for close on half a century, while the general staffs and the ministries argued about weapons, estimates, and tactics, the tale of the war-to-come was a dominant device in the field of purposive fiction ... The period from the eighteen-eighties to the long-expected outbreak of the next war in 1914 saw the emergence of the greatest number of these tales of coming conflicts ever to appear in European fiction.

Was WWI the worst war the world had ever seen? Was it really the first world war?

The Thirty Years War 1618-1648 killed 3 million soldiers and 4 or 5 times that many civilians, 30%-40% of the entire German population died, and that was a world war.

The Manchu-Chinese War in 1644
killed 25 million.

The Napoleonic Wars, 1792-1815, 5-6 million.

Taiping Rebellion,
20-30 million.

Tamerlane in the 14th century.He went through whole countries, slaughtered whole cities, and whole districts if anybody so much as raised a sword against him he killed the whole city.

Natural Disasters

I found this quote on a Judicial Committee transcript on the web and would love to get more evidence of this:
"As for famines and pestilence, that's no contest because this century has had far fewer famines and pestilence compared to previous times when there were famines many years and pestilence killed almost half the babies born. I came to realize that you couldn't prove the time of the end by statistics alone."

Does anyone have any more references or sources for this kind of stuff? I pulled these from various resources around the Internet.

I would love to have more.

Thanks in advance!

-ithinkisee

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Can someone help me to understand?

by hiccup in

i am very new to this whole "religion" and although i have pulled up some information on jehovah's witnesses, i can't seem to get my arms around it.

the reason i have come here is because my father has been doing bible studies and readings for about 2 years now and over the last 6 months to a year he has been someone very different from who i used to know.

it all started with a near fatal car accident and then with my sister getting involved with drugs and running away with her boyfriend.

ithinkisee

Why would an "active witness" not say it's OK to have a real career?

Joker obviously hasn't been to this summer's District Convention. Almost every talk almost explicitly states "secular education is bad and is for arrogant pricks - choose pioneering as it is the only rewarding career".

So yeah Joker ... if you mean "real career" in the sense of being a pioneer - then I would say you are right on the money.

-ithinkisee

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Up to our elbows in Newbs on JWD

by IP_SEC in

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friends

wow, what's going on here?

i look at all the new folk here that seem to have joined in the past 2 months and are posters who are under 100 posts and i gotta wonder why.. has something happened in dubland recently to cause a lot of folk to reach out?

if you are new here at jwd, how did you find us?

ithinkisee

I am new since January .. but I had lurked since November 2004.

I got to this site via WT Observer site. I tried a couple other discussion boards but some weren't very user friendly (interface-wise), and some were very off-topic and lots of porn and stuff.

This site has been a great help to me personally, and I love having this wealth of knowledge insight and experience here. I have learned alot and think stuff like this is good, because we are building on something that was originally forged by lots of other so-called "apostates" that didn't even have the Internet to make a decision.

I listen to some of those MP3's of the old judicial comittee meetings back in the 70's and 80's and can't believe the wealth of knowledge some of those people had and the balls they had to take on the old school elders ... geez.

Of course ... I am breaking my news to my wife any day now ... sometimes I wonder if I have the balls to do that ...

-ithinkisee