once you left the witnesses, did you want some sort of revenge?
when you left relationships in your past, did you do something to harm the other person with words or actions?
when you left jobs, did you bad mouth your employer with a hope of harming him/her financially?
Good question!
It depends on the circumstances, I have been described as a 'great friend' on one hand but a 'frightful enemy' on the other; looking back I can probably see why they might say that. Nowadays I concentrate on being the former as revenge serves no purpose whatsoever.
Living well is the best form, I believe.
DB74
i mentioned one time, on a past thread, that the first former witness site i found was this site called beyond jw and it was run by a man named tim campbell.
it was not the level of quality of this site, but it had some good information and links and a message board.
while i did not visit the board, like i visit this one, for a long time i thought it was the only former witness site and got familiar with it.
I mentioned one time, on a past thread, that the first former Witness site I found was this site called Beyond JW and it was run by a man named Tim Campbell. It was not the level of quality of this site, but it had some good information and links and a message board.
This was the board which provided me with a link to JWD, I cannot thank Tim Campbell enough for the content of his site (which I still use) and ultimately providing me with access to JWD.
Hell was it nearly two years ago? Time flies when your having fun and getting mentally free.
DB74
for our resident lawyers and those familiar with the law anywhere but specially on the us.
can a parent legally forbid a son from being baptized until he becomes an adult (legal age)?.
jws usually baptize their children when they are in their early teens, can an unbelieving parent do something legal to prevent this?.
What if the child wishes to get baptized, regardless of the parent's wishes? I'd think the courts, if pushed, would err on the side of the child, once they are over twelve or so. At about that age, the courts heavily favor the child's preferences, including living arrangements and so on.
This is also a good point.
When a child reaches an age of 'competence' the court will normally as a rule interview the child and take into consideration the childs view's and opinions but until that age is reached (which is about 12 although this can vary dependent upon maturity) the court will ultimately decide what is in the best interests of the child in all the circumstances.
DB74
for our resident lawyers and those familiar with the law anywhere but specially on the us.
can a parent legally forbid a son from being baptized until he becomes an adult (legal age)?.
jws usually baptize their children when they are in their early teens, can an unbelieving parent do something legal to prevent this?.
In Palou - Martinez v France [2004] 2 FLR 810 it was held that it is wrong to make such orders on the basis of religion only; any successful case will need to concentrate on actual actions which undermine the family unit, this isn't tolerated in any respect by the courts. The Claimant in this case failed to properly concentrate on these issues hence the reason why the court fell into error. Click on the link to see the facts and the judgement.
Just to highlight that the European Court of Justice does distinguish between orders made solely on the basis of religion and those made on the basis of actions which could undermine the family unit. Hoffman v Austria [1994] 1 FCR 193. This was a case where the court rules that the childs interests are paramount and but there has to be a reasonable relationship of proportionality between the means employed and the aim pursued.
In the UK there has been cases where shunning is practiced by other religious sects and orders have been made by the courts to prevent the child coming into contact with such environments Re R (A Minor) (Religious Sect) [1993] 2 FCR 525
Contact with parents is deemed in the UK and Europe to be fundamentally in the childs interest's (even where the parent has historically been abusive) anything which undermines contact will be deemed not within a childs best interests.
This just supports my argument that such cases are not impossible to plead if the right information and evidence is presented; my advice is to look for a specialist family lawyer.
DB74
for our resident lawyers and those familiar with the law anywhere but specially on the us.
can a parent legally forbid a son from being baptized until he becomes an adult (legal age)?.
jws usually baptize their children when they are in their early teens, can an unbelieving parent do something legal to prevent this?.
I can only comment from a UK legal perspective, but it would seem that if a parent has parental responsibility for a child this means that they can make decisions on behalf of the child without the other partners consent; the only way to prevent this would be take legal action under Section 8 Children Act 1989.
This means first of all obtaining a court order preventing the other parent from taking actions which would not be in the best interests of the child; admittedly this is extremely difficult on the basis that religious freedoms and human rights issues are at stake. The childs best interests will be paramount in these cases but they will tread very carefully in order to avoid offending the right to religious freedoms.
In Palou - Martinez v France [2004] 2 FLR 810it was held that it is wrong to make such orders on the basis of religion only; any successful case will need to concentrate on actual actions which undermine the family unit, this isn't tolerated in any respect by the courts. The Claimant in this case failed to properly concentrate on these issues hence the reason why the court fell into error. Click on the link to see the facts and the judgement.
Tricky area but not impossible.
(Gary) DB74
for our resident lawyers and those familiar with the law anywhere but specially on the us.
can a parent legally forbid a son from being baptized until he becomes an adult (legal age)?.
jws usually baptize their children when they are in their early teens, can an unbelieving parent do something legal to prevent this?.
Can a parent legally forbid a son from being baptized until he becomes an adult (legal age)? JWs usually baptize their children when they are in their early teens, can an unbelieving parent do something legal to prevent this?
Although not an expert in US law I am aware that there are some similarities to the law in the UK.
The answer to your question is simply no, however you can obtain a court order preventing your ex partner from taking the child to meetings and or otherwise indoctrinating your child as a Jehovahs Witness. The court will decide what is in the best interests of the child so your case will need to rely upon their teachings regarding shunning, blood, restricted associations, higher education and the fact that witnesses openly encourage non witness parents to be ostracised in terms of being an influence spiritually.
The courts will no doubt consider human rights issues and religious freedoms but the rights of the child will remain paramount!
DB74
i'm downloading songs for a 80's metal cd.
i got cinderella, white lion, europe, autogragh, asia, poison, trixter, white lion, enuff z' nuff and ratt.
am i missing anyone?
Many metal bands from the 80's had a few catchy songs, but you can't rightly lump the Quiet Riots, Motley Crues, Poisons, and Ratts of the world in with bands like Iron Maiden, Judas Priest, Megadeth, Queensryche, and Metallica. (rant on) With the qualifier on Metallica of strictly albums 2, 3 and 4 (Ride the Lightning, Master of Puppets, And Justice for All) being good - and no they have not returned to their roots with St. Anger as was mentioned - they still suck haaaaaard like they have done ever since the black album/hair cutting fiasco. If you don't agree, go back and listen to Ride the Lightning, or even better, Master of Puppets. That was actual musicianship. Not white trash, NASCAR loving, infantile, crap. NASCAR reference is from Fuel (a song I despise). "Gimme' fuel, Gimme' fire, Gimme' that which I desire". Oh...my...frigging...God...vomit. What stupid, stupid, crap. (rant off )
I enjoyed St Anger, it had a lot of the aggression that was present in the earlier stuff; I agree with you that Ride the Lightening, Master of Puppets, and And Justice for All were their best albums however. The 'Load' and 'Reload' albums did suck haaaaaard and as far as 'Fuel' is concerned, I laughed out loud when I first heard that track, lame with a capital L.
"Harvester of Sorrow" and "Welcome Home" are such flawless songs imho
Totally agreed, as well as the title track from And Justice....amazing!
DB74
they wander the kingdom halls and nieghbourhoods well dressed..they really want to be your friend,all they want is your soul.not all at once,just bit by bit so you don`t notice..they promise you everlasting life,but you must rob others of thier souls..they want your blood.not all of it,just the parts that allow them to prolong thier own life.they can take blood,they just can`t give it.....jehovah`s witness vampires do exsist!.....velcoome to my keengdoum haul..i am "count dubula"!..lol!
!...outlaw
They can take blood,they just can`t give it.....Jehovah`s Witness Vampires do exsist!.....Velcoome to my Keengdoum Haul..I am "Count Dubula"!..LOL!!...OUTLAW
ROTFLMAO
Too funny!
DB74
maybe you can even make a sentence with a few of them....
Wasnt that a great debate we had at the Watchtower study on Sunday?
DB74
i remember asking an elder once, "what do you think about meditation?
" he responded that we should not relax and open our minds, as opening our minds can let demons in.
i thought that seemed like a odd response, and looked it up in the watchtower, and sure enough he gave the societies views on meditation.
I agree that meditation can influence a person to think "outside of the box". However, I don't think that it, in itself, can induce open mindedness
To some degree thinking outside the box requires an element of open mindedness however I was approaching meditation from a relaxation standpoint as opposed to the mystical. If their members relax and begin to think outside of the box, this is hardly going to be a desirable effect.
I suspect that the Watchtower leaders have other motives for preventing meditation. One of these motives could be the desire to prevent "supernatural" experiences in the rank and file JW. Meditation when done correctly and with the right attitude can produce some lovely spiritual type experiences. These experiences will be contained within the framework of a person's existing belief system. Therefore, a JW who meditates could experience a vision similar to John's in revelations. He may see Jehovah on his throne in all his glory and be given an inspirational message. How would that affect the JW religion if its members suddenly went to the KHall with experiences like this?
I hadnt thought of it this way before, given they have been preaching that God speaks only through his organisation, this would pose a great threat to their position.
DB74
