The society would have to check first if they have and investment in that company.
mtbatoon
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Would JW's boycott business?
by Fatfreek ini just noticed this item on nationwide newsthe us southern baptist convention, representing the country's largest protestant denomination, has ended its eight-year-long boycott of the walt disney corporation over its allegedly pro-gay policies .... .
has anyone heard of jw's boycotting businesses?
years ago, an elder worked at the health food store downtown.
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What is wrong with Henman?
by zagor ini mean really, where are you brits?
hes always losing to some upstarts.
whats going on here?
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mtbatoon
Don't you mean British? Until he loses when he'll become Scottish again.
Yes just like the Scottish racing driver David Coulthard. I believe Colin McRae once enjoyed “British status” and of course don't forget the British women of the fine British curling team. This is not an honour reserved just for the Scots though, earlier this week Greg Rusedski was demoted from British to “Canadian raised”
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how about genetic manipulation?
by DannyBloem inwhat is your view on it?
(i do not know the dub view, but is it not important for me).
for food: ok. foor animals: ok. for humans: ok
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mtbatoon
Lets face it GM is about making more money not about helping the needy or curing all ills. As such you'll have very little say anyway.
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Finally, I didn't worry my child might need a blood transfusion!
by Gill inone of my children went on a school trip this week and for the first time ever, i didn't panic and worry about what 'might' happen!.
i had always, as a good little jw, and even as a faded jw filled in the medical form that needed filling with every trip, the way i had been instructed by the elders.
when you get to the part that gives permission for emergency treatment, surgery, or (heaven forbid) blood transfusions, you cross out the 'blood transfusion' sign at both ends of the line, then explain what alternative treatments you would accept for your child.. this time, i just signed the form as every other parent had and knew, that should an accident happen, my child would probably stand as good a chance as surviving it as any other child on that trip!.
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mtbatoon
I missed trips just so I didn't have to hand in the release form. I found anything that pointed me out as different very embarrassing. Also as a kid I could never understand how my parents would let me die for the sake of blood freely donated. So be happy for you children too.
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Whats the deal with fading.
by mtbatoon ini'm not trolling here or trying to upset, i'm not attacking anyone personally or trying to force my opinion on others but having read a lot of people experiences on leaving the org i really can not understand the point of fading.
i understand that people risk losing contact with family members and friends but really what type of friend and how good a family member are they if they are willing to shun you for not holding the same beliefs?.
a bit of background might be in order here.
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mtbatoon
Again this closure thing, never understood it. Event happens, event ends, life goes on. “Having closure” sounds like therapist jargon to me. There again a half brick through a window could be considered closure I reckon and I understand that.
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2 Timothy 3: 16 Is the Bible really inspired?
by Bryan intimothy stated that "all scripture is inspired by god and useful for teaching, ... .
" (klnt), but the bible was assembled much later than his writing.
so can each book which has been placed in the bible, without doubt, be inspired by god?
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mtbatoon
Look at how the WT give their publications quasi scriptural status and think what it would have been like 2K years ago.
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Whats the deal with fading.
by mtbatoon ini'm not trolling here or trying to upset, i'm not attacking anyone personally or trying to force my opinion on others but having read a lot of people experiences on leaving the org i really can not understand the point of fading.
i understand that people risk losing contact with family members and friends but really what type of friend and how good a family member are they if they are willing to shun you for not holding the same beliefs?.
a bit of background might be in order here.
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mtbatoon
OK point taken but I would see fading as a gradual process myself, my situation I'd class as a break.
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Whats the deal with fading.
by mtbatoon ini'm not trolling here or trying to upset, i'm not attacking anyone personally or trying to force my opinion on others but having read a lot of people experiences on leaving the org i really can not understand the point of fading.
i understand that people risk losing contact with family members and friends but really what type of friend and how good a family member are they if they are willing to shun you for not holding the same beliefs?.
a bit of background might be in order here.
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mtbatoon
Well maybe I was young and reckless or maybe due to my age fading wasn't an option. I lived most of my childhood either pretending to be a good little witness boy or a normal kid and failed at both. For me living a lie for good or bad still seems wrong, maybe I haven't got the strength of character to keep it up for my own benefit or the benefit of others. These comments have opened my eyes to others predicaments and there way of handling them.
Everyone has a different healing process. The fact is, you don't have a full understanding of the courage it took for many of these people to leave behind a belief system they had known most of their lives. When you are a true Jehovah's Witness, leaving is very diffucult because it's the only family you ever knew. So before you judge others for how they leave, think about how much courage it took in the first place.
True, I didn't so I ask, I hope I'm not judgemental but I still have my own opinions. Your right in pointing out I was not a true JW, though it was the only life I had ever known up until my time of leaving. It didn't form part of my beliefs apart from those put there by fear tactics. I know the courage it takes to leave and the struggle to integrate into society. But i still believe in some cases I think fading would be more damaging to the individual than a quick break though the former appears the easyer option.
I've noticed that people assume the alternative to fading is DAing yourself. I never did that and was never asked to. It may well of been due to my age and low standing but I think if I had to of written a letter, almost like I was asking permission however aggressively it was written, I'd be looking back on having done so with regret.
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Whats the deal with fading.
by mtbatoon ini'm not trolling here or trying to upset, i'm not attacking anyone personally or trying to force my opinion on others but having read a lot of people experiences on leaving the org i really can not understand the point of fading.
i understand that people risk losing contact with family members and friends but really what type of friend and how good a family member are they if they are willing to shun you for not holding the same beliefs?.
a bit of background might be in order here.
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mtbatoon
I don't know the rules they have for someone DAing themself, I would like to see them if they have.
Why DA yourself for them to leave you alone? Most countries have laws relating to harassment.
I was a true sheep- and sheep do not confront their shepherds.
That's my point Paul, yes we're taught not to be confrontational to the elders but the letters and announcements and hiding is playing their game. When do leavers realise that you can just tell them to buzz off?
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Whats the deal with fading.
by mtbatoon ini'm not trolling here or trying to upset, i'm not attacking anyone personally or trying to force my opinion on others but having read a lot of people experiences on leaving the org i really can not understand the point of fading.
i understand that people risk losing contact with family members and friends but really what type of friend and how good a family member are they if they are willing to shun you for not holding the same beliefs?.
a bit of background might be in order here.
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mtbatoon
I'm not trolling here or trying to upset, I'm not attacking anyone personally or trying to force my opinion on others but having read a lot of people experiences on leaving the org I really can not understand the point of fading. I understand that people risk losing contact with family members and friends but really what type of friend and how good a family member are they if they are willing to shun you for not holding the same beliefs?
A bit of background might be in order here. At the age of 16 my mother started talking about baptism and though I new that JWism and Christianity had some gaping holes, my main motivation was becoming a normal teenager. The only “friend” I had, another JW, that I would lose contact with was a friend of convenience, us both being in the same age and at the same school. I was aware of disfollowshipping, I took very little interest in religion at that time and as my mother had three young children and a older daughter who was in danger of being disfellowshipped and subsequently was, I was never subjected to intense bible study thank goodness. When I made my break I made it cleanly, I was a Jehovah's Wittiness and then I wasn't, simple as that. I never entered a KH again except for weddings and funerals. At the age of 16 not only did I have to deal with teenage angsts but around 6 months later left home at the age of 17 and found that I had to change a lot of my personality to be able to fit into normal society. My family was distant, the rows with my father, who had stopped attending meeting some years before but never renounced his faith, meant that contact was also brief. I was lacking many social skills and on numerous occasions was taken for a ride by people I mistook for friends. In the end the shunning finally came when my sister was disfellowshipped that resulted in two years of no contact with my family that was finally ended by my own actions. Anyway enough wallowing in my past, I just want to point out that I know breaking away isn't easy and there's a price to pay.
To me fading show continuing submission to the org. Prior to my break it was instilled in me that you stand up for what you believe. All the years of not taking part in school activities, missing religions festivals and being made to stand out and be the target for bullying and ridicule was the same strength I used to break away. I realise that people have different circumstances and fading may be the best option but I also hear reasons given like “If I stay in I can spread doubt”, I'm sorry but that's Dub logic if ever I heard it, the same as “If I go to that website I can post arguments for the WT.” In the end what does fading bring you? The only benefit I can see is for the org that you make a no fuss exit, surely looking you former “brothers” and “sisters” in the face and telling them that you're not going to take it any more is a more truthful action and how can the lies of the org be combated with deceit, which is what I see fading as.
I'm sure that many will say I don't know what I'm talking about and they may be right but if I've gained anything beneficial from my association with the WT it's that you make a stand for what's right and accept the consequences.