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This girl didn't seem to realize the extent of the "apostasy" on this thread. Some realized this and were sufficiently humble and respectful. Eventually others got in there and started screaming "cult" and "run away" and the sort of stuff that makes the timid, yet curious JW see the Devil and run.

Jdarley hasn't been back since. I don't expect her to. I can only hope a few of our thoughts got past her cult defenses before she was chased off. I sent her a pm and I saw that she read it. That cheered me up a bit.

I want to say something here. I know many here are upset with how they were treated by the WT. I know that many of you have suffered losses just to great for anyone to be expected to bear.

BUT

You all need to realize that these folks ARE REAL PEOPLE. They are not symbols of all we despise. This might be the only chance they have for DECADES to hear a free thought. We need to get over ourselves, and not see these people as a chance for us to get some cheap shots in at the WT. There are plenty of other ways to do that without scaring off some poor unsuspecting jw-robot.

So I recommend the following guidelines for such future posts, and for this one http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/6/104460/1.ashx today in particular:

1. Don't try to let on that this is an apostate site. IF your name is JWS-SUCK it might be a good idea that you don't post.

2. DOn't call it a cult, tell them to run for their lives, or tell them the JW are satanic. It just doesn't square with what they are seeing in their lives. You will come across as a bitter loon and you will lack credibility.

3. Do try to get them to open up and tell us about themselves. Find out if their family is opposed.

4. Let them know that this site accepts all views, and that it is good to spend time here because since we have the truth it is an opportunity to help folks who have doubts. It is also a good opportunity to find out what questions and arguments people are likely to have. And most importantly we shouldn't fear people questioning the JW. Since it is the truth, it can withstand any scrutiny.

5. Be humble and respectful. The facts about the JW condemn them. We don't need to offer any commentary. We can just talk about the facts. Make them feel welcome to discuss their thoughts. You will never be able to open a JW's mind without trust. When you are rude and accusatory you lose trust.

CYP

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Quotes - Press Release

by wombat in

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could someone compose a suitable press release that we could forward to our local media ?.

Check_Your_Premises

WIlly,

I always see you being the turd in these punch bowls. I understand you have family issues that keeps you from using your considerable experience. But couldn't you ghost write some of these and let the folks here run with 'em? Or offer your services to some sites like AJWRB or BRCI or silent lambs?

CYP

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Doubts

by lazuli in

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friends

i'm an 18 year old girl, i started studying with the jws 9 months ago.

i was dating a guy that was a jw and i chose that i also wanted to study.

we were together for 2 years and broke up four months ago.

Check_Your_Premises

Hey Lazuli!

I am glad you came here for someone to talk to. I can tell you in my experiences, I don't know what I would have done without this outlet.

So did you get baptized?

Why are your folks so against the idea of you studying with the JW? Have you ever known your folks to not protect you or not look out for your best interests? Probably not. Maybe they have some reasons for being concerned. It doesn't mean they are right. But they might be legitimate concerns.

Maybe you could tell them about this site. That way they could come here and find out more about the JW.

CYP

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A Fanatical JW...

by stillAwitness in

a fanatical jw...

-thinks the tsunami and hurrican katrina are signs the satan is becoming more resilient in his quest to take over the world!.

-keeps tracts in their back pocket to place in the grocery line.. -thinks dr. phil is "satan's little helper".

Check_Your_Premises

-If you say you like the sunday service at 3:30 because it "lets you get some good service time in"

-If you go to visit a loved one who has been seriously injured, and the first question you ask is if they took blood.

-If you always get up during the meeting to check out the sister with the unbelieving husband, and to eyeball him while gloating inside, because you know their marriage is not likely to last.

-If you tell a woman who is about to be baptized that her husband is being influenced by Satan because he has asked her to just put off her baptism for six months.

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A Fanatical JW...

by stillAwitness in

a fanatical jw...

-thinks the tsunami and hurrican katrina are signs the satan is becoming more resilient in his quest to take over the world!.

-keeps tracts in their back pocket to place in the grocery line.. -thinks dr. phil is "satan's little helper".

Check_Your_Premises

- If you are put up and fed in the home of an unbelieving husband and his JW wife during the convention because you are to cheap to get a hotel room, and then you repay his hospitality by spending the next three evenings pestering and following around your host trying to convince him it is "the truth" and his church is from Satan.

And to think, they try to sell me on this religion with the prospect of spending eternity with them!

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For those with bf or gf who are JW's: How the JW view non JW's

by Check_Your_Premises in

this thread is a quick primer for those who are fairly unfamiliar with the jw, but have found that they are dating someone who is or used to be a jw.

well just to give you a little background on how jw's view the rest of the non-jw world: they basically see you as a bug.

you are worldly and certain to bring their loved one death at the hands of god at armageddon.

Check_Your_Premises

Let me know if you want me to make any edits.

I mostly reposted it in it's orginal form. I added a few bits here and there.

CYP

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For those with bf or gf who are JW's: How the JW view non JW's

by Check_Your_Premises in

this thread is a quick primer for those who are fairly unfamiliar with the jw, but have found that they are dating someone who is or used to be a jw.

well just to give you a little background on how jw's view the rest of the non-jw world: they basically see you as a bug.

you are worldly and certain to bring their loved one death at the hands of god at armageddon.

Check_Your_Premises

This thread is a quick primer for those who are fairly unfamiliar with the JW, but have found that they are dating someone who is or used to be a JW.

Well just to give you a little background on how JW's view the rest of the non-jw world: They basically see you as a bug. You are worldly and certain to bring their loved one death at the hands of God at Armageddon. JW's are forbidden to have a gf, worldy or not.

See, the JW think that the only way to survive Jehovah's wrath at armageddon is to be a jw.

So just take that one simple truth and work out the implications about how his/her JW loved ones (mom, brother, father, and even your bf/gf) feel about you.

On the other hand, if they are dating a worldly person like you he/she is obviously taking a step away from the org by having you as a bf/gf. Your bf/gf likely has some doubts, but they have been brainwashed since birth. So you need to understand that when you talk to them and poke holes in their logic, you are likely butting against years of indoctrination. So here are a few tips for talking to ANYONE who is under the influence of mind control (sounds spooky and glamorous but actually it is quite simple, subtle, and very powerful)

1. Never criticize the org. You can run down other religions ALL DAY. If you are hoping to help them see a flaw in the JW, the best way to do this is point out how messed up some OTHER religion is for doing the same thing. Don't close the loop by saying, "Hey, the JW do this also!" They will (if they want to) make the connection on their own. Play dumb.

2. You are only a student in the eyes of a jw, a potential recruit. You are never a teacher of them. This is your angle though. By being genuinely interested in them as a person, you can ask them questions that force them to THINK.

3. Always be very friendly and humble when you ask questions. The second you have an agenda, or sound like you are trying to win an argument, they will run away.

4. Always try to build his trust. If they don't trust you, and think you are a threat to them surviving armageddon, they will run away. If you are genuinely interested, they can and will talk to you.

5. Talk about religion only if you have to. Mostly just try to make them feel like a real person.

Some questions you could ask (only if they trust you!):

1. How sure are you that this is the right religion? ON a scale from 1 to 10?

2. Isn't it funny how many religions say they are the only right one, and all other ones are bad. I mean really, how could you know if yours is the right one for sure. Especially if you are raised in it and that is all you know?

3. If it wasn't the right religion would you want to know? If you found out it wasn't, would you leave?

4. Have you ever tried to see if there is anything that proves the stuff they say is wrong? Have you ever looked on the internet? I mean if it is the "truth" what do you have to be afraid of? And besides, don't you want to know what people might say about the jw, so you could know how to respond?

Required Reading:

Releasing the Bonds and Combatting Cult Mind Control, both by Steven Hassan. (Letting your loved one see you with this will likely cause them to lose trust in you!)

My thoughts on the prospects of dating a JW:

Again, if they are dating you they are stepping away from the JW for some reason. You could probably plant some seeds in this person, and who knows, maybe they will find some freedom someday. Some gf/bf of jw have actually helped them leave. It really depends on how much time you want to spend. Don't get some "I must save them" thing going. It isn't healthy. There is only one Savior, and it aint you! You could waste your life trying to save someone but the truth is we can never control people or cause them to be what we want. The only people who are saved from these kind of groups are those who want to be.

So don't underestimate how much work and how painful something like this is. You will spend countless hours praying and fretting and scouring the internet for the one thing that might open their eyes. You will watch this person you love and respect be led around by the nose, and talk like a robot. Any agreement that you hope for will have no compromise if it goes against the teachings of the org. You will always be second place. It is quite possible that your loved one will never leave.

If you got this person to dig you then you can probably get someone else to dig you as well. You shouldn't have much trouble then in finding some much better and less complicated prospects out there. Hang out here, ask a few questions, and folks here will give you some good seeds to plant. Whatever you do don't sleep with this person. Sorry if that is a little personal. But if you (or they) get pregnant, expect all their years of phobias and indoctrination to come screaming back now that they have a precious child to save from armageddon! This is actually one of the most common causes for the "unbelieving mate" (aka a person married to a JW) situation. If you do get pregnant, you will spend years here trying to get ideas how to open their mind. Or you will spend years knocking on doors telling people about the "truth".

Be careful. Life doesnt' suffer fools.

CYP (aka "Mr. The Purpose of My Life is to Serve as an Example for Others of What Not to Do")

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A concerted effort during a watchtower study?

by mkr32208 in

was thinking about this today!

what we need to come up with is something like crazies 586/7 list from watchtower sources showing the kings list.

then next time they have a prophecy watchtower study we could all go to different halls where no one would know us and have a prepared answer typed up with watchtowerese language something like;.

Check_Your_Premises

You'd probably want to mention "ajwrb.com loudly mentioning that it stands for associated jw for reform on the blood doctrine, and even bcri which is a group of jw who dissassociated for conscience reasons"

Keep repeating the names until they start in with "thank you brother, thank you. That is enough brother"

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A concerted effort during a watchtower study?

by mkr32208 in

was thinking about this today!

what we need to come up with is something like crazies 586/7 list from watchtower sources showing the kings list.

then next time they have a prophecy watchtower study we could all go to different halls where no one would know us and have a prepared answer typed up with watchtowerese language something like;.

Check_Your_Premises

ADVERTISE! ADVERTISE! ADVERTISE!

Actually that is a pretty good idea about mentioning the names of web sites during those stay away from the internet talks.

You could say, "Yes there are just so many apostate web sites out there. There is freeminds.org, there is silentlambs.org, oh yeah, and there is even this one that uses the name jehovah's witness to trick people into thinking it is a real jehovah's witness site. It is jehovahs DASH witness.com. Yes, the apostate will sink to the lowest levels to sully Jehovah's good name."

A few would get what you are doing. I actually would kind of like to try this, but being a ubm, I think it would get me tagged even harder then I am right now. My wife ALWAYS gets a call if she misses a meeting. She ALWAYS gets called to see if she is going out in service. If they think she might miss a meeting for some legitimate reason, they call BEFORE to make sure she attends.

Maybe when I travel on business...

CYP

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