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Found out there is a religion EXACTLY like JW'S!! And I mean EXACTLY!

by stillAwitness in

so i was talking to a friend of mine today, who was raised a protestant but it is some fanatical protestant group that is exactly like jehovah's wittnesses.

her religion has basically the same teachings : the paradise, disfellowshipping, marrying "only in the lord" , no college, submissive women; the whole bit!

she was even raised around the same terms like us: holy spirit instead of ghost, the "older ones", worldy, bad association, elders,

Check_Your_Premises

The closest match I have found are the Worldwide Church of God variations.

www.thercg.org

www.tomorrowsworld.org

Here are a couple that are keeping the Armstrong faith alive.

CYP

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IMPORTANT LEGAL LOOPHOLE OPENED IN BELGIUM RE: DFing

by Dogpatch in

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free translation of an article in the derniere heure

more jehovah, more justice .

jacques lost all contact with his family .

Check_Your_Premises

I'm all for sticking it to the wt and all...

... but I hope it isn't ever done on the basis of bad legal precedent.

It just seems having the right to not talk to someone should be within the rights of any individual. Is it a right for an organization to impose on it's members?

I donno. I will leave that to the small, furry rodent types (aka lawyers).

CYP

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I am faced with serious decisions here - Can you help me find the answer?..

by AK - Jeff in

i am going to reveal details of a personal nature here.

these details may reveal who i am to anyone looking to finally expel me from the organization - but frankly that it of little importance compared to what i am now having to decide.

i ask those who here - with either the qualifications, or who can direct me to those with such, to respond.

Check_Your_Premises

Jeff,

As you know, I don't have any legal credentials, but I do have some experience with similar situations.

As far as I know, without paternity, he is just as you described; a virtual stranger. I would highly recommend going the "establish paternity and visitation if you want to see the kids route." Don't be a hardass about it or anything. Just tell the guy you have two choices, to allow him in your home or to allow him to take the child... he will likely present alternatives and those might be reasonable.

But the bottom line is if he wants to wear the daddy-pants, then he needs to step up and sign up. The nice part about this is establishes guidelines, and it also FORCES HIM to actually do something proactive in terms of taking care of his children. If he is serious, then a couple grand to a lawyer will show that. If he isn't willling to do those things, then it will show he is qualified to own a dog maybe but not for parenthood.

Try to keep it amicable though. Biology takes precedence from a legal standpoint. He could mount a legal battle to gain custody. I am not sure that you could do anything about it, and it would be unfortunate for the other children. I don't know about bio grandparents, but in the case of non-bio adoption you pretty much have to prove the other parent is unfit! Not an easy or inexpensive thing to do legally.

I would do everything you could to keep the other children out of the loop whatever you do. They don't need to know about any visit from other baby-daddy's.

Just give them all as much normalcy, discipline, and love as you can. Whatever you do, do it with their best interests in mind. As long as you do that everything should be ok.

Good luck. Sorry about all the drama. Take care.

CYP

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Movie Qoutes

by DigitalFokus in

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one at a time.

guess the qoute above you and give one for the next person.

"nobody makes me bleed my own blood, nobody!

Check_Your_Premises

"We're going to hold onto him by the nose, and we're going to kick him in the ass."
or "...Now I want you to remember that no bastard ever won a war by dying for his country. He won it by making the other poor dumb bastard die for his country."

Patton

"Lift your chin up... higher... (thud)"

"I'll wait outside for the MP's"

"Negative Johansen..."

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Did anyone actually enjoy field service?

by Check_Your_Premises in

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did anyone ever actually admit it if they hated it?.

cyp

Check_Your_Premises

Did anyone ever actually admit it if they hated it?

CYP

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you don't believe in god... ever find yourself praying?

by Calliope in

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i'm not sure whether there is a god or not.

so far as i can tell, there isn't much evidence to support his existence... .

but sometimes i find myself in what appears to be a prayer.

Check_Your_Premises

not a standard put forth by some religious organization saying that they represent god.

still angry,

I think you misunderstand what it means to be a "Mere Christian" as opposed to a "True Christian" (aka j-dub)

My concept of faith has absolutely nothing to do with other people or what they tell me God is/ins't. Religion has it's place. It is kind of like a map I guess. It gives you some ideas about what other people have experienced in their faith... what works... what doesn't. That is about it.

I am not a fundamentalist.... or even exactly sure what kind of a Christian I am. There is just to much I can't validate.

And don't worry. I understand what it means to be an athiest. I was one for a good 15 years.

CYP

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you don't believe in god... ever find yourself praying?

by Calliope in

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i'm not sure whether there is a god or not.

so far as i can tell, there isn't much evidence to support his existence... .

but sometimes i find myself in what appears to be a prayer.

Check_Your_Premises

It's all good, and sasquatch,

Thanks for your candor.

I wasn't sure what to expect when I came back here.

I have an interesting perspective. I was a youthful Christian, who fell out due to youthful desires. I then became an athiest/agnostic/objectivist.... The problems and unanswered questions of athiesm called me to consider the possiblity of a benevolent creator... partially out of a search for comfort. I would be a liar if I didn't admit that. But also out of a desire to bring my thinking more in line with reality even though I am not able to perceive it the way I do the physical world.

What I am trying to say, is I can appreciate both perspectives very well. I completely get the ex-jw/athiest disgust with the delusions, and lack of validation inherent in all fundamentalism.

I guess the only reason I fit in here is cuz I can't stand how jw's act either.

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you don't believe in god... ever find yourself praying?

by Calliope in

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i'm not sure whether there is a god or not.

so far as i can tell, there isn't much evidence to support his existence... .

but sometimes i find myself in what appears to be a prayer.

Check_Your_Premises

i'm not sure whether there is a god or not.

so far as i can tell, there isn't much evidence to support his existence...

Sounds kinda like picking up a phone and saying hello... you aren't sure if someone is there. An experiment maybe?

I always wonder about ardent athiests... or agnostics that consider the existence of God to be unknowable, and therefore not worth pondering....

What happens when you lose all your illusion of control and power that you think you have over your life. What happens when you are desperate, when you have nowhere else you can turn? Do you cry out to Darwin or Marx?

Don't get me wrong. I am not making fun. I just remember when I was one of the above. It was real easy to be incredulous when things were going good. When things weren't so good I was more than ready to abandon my faith in no God.

Doesn't prove anything of course... I don't mean to imply it does.

CYP

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