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  Please help, don't want to lose daughter

  by katy in

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  please help,need some advice.

  my daughter married a jw last april without telling us.

  i suspect she thought we wouldn't approve.

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  I Agree, but as I am sure you agree, it is the daughters choice who she lets influence her decisions. It is the mothers job to respect that and not be intrusive. I think you agree with the rule in the above. Same if the roles were reversed, if it was the JW mother in law that was imposing her values on her daughter-in-law- the advice would be the same.

  Oh so clever. All influence is equally legitimate. This ladies and gentlemen is a beautiful piece of sophistry. Marvel at it's close resemblance to an ethical and logical position.

  But also note the difference. This woman is motivated to INFLUENCE her daughter such that the DAUGHTER has more control over HER own life.

  The jw are motivated to INFLUENCE her so that the JW have more control over HER life.

  See the difference?

  Now let's notice the difference in methods.

  The mother will appeal to her daughter using carefully thought out questions designed to get her to be open to ALL facts and ideas.

  The JW will appeal to the daughter by asking her to ONLY look at facts and ideas that support the JW paradigm.

  The mother will encourage the daughter to talk to other people with different points of view. IN that way she will be able to make the best informed and thought out choices.

  The Jw will encourage her to be surrounded ONLY by other JW's so that no other ideas or fact may ever come to light.

  See the difference?

  Of course not. To notice the difference would likley threaten your fragile world view.

  CYP
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  Please help, don't want to lose daughter

  by katy in

  1. social
  2. relationships

  please help,need some advice.

  my daughter married a jw last april without telling us.

  i suspect she thought we wouldn't approve.

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  Check_Your_Premises

  Does she want a divorce for her daughter so she can hang storks?

  It has nothing to do with such trivial concerns... the matter has to do with WHO SHOULD GET TO DECIDE whether she can hang storks.

  Who her daughter allows to be in control of her life is a matter of the utmost importance. Because nobody but her daughter could possibly know, better than she, what is in her own best interests.

  God gave us all a conscience for a reason. And that reason is not to discard it for the conscience of another person who is just as capable of self-delusion as anybody else.
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  Please help, don't want to lose daughter

  by katy in

  1. social
  2. relationships

  please help,need some advice.

  my daughter married a jw last april without telling us.

  i suspect she thought we wouldn't approve.

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  Check_Your_Premises

  
  Learn about cults!!!

  Your daughter and her husband are under the influence of mind control. That is just a real fancy way of saying that they are in an environment where everybody thinks the same way, and uses the same stupid arguments to control them.

  So what you need to do first is to learn about mind control cults. Here are a few links: http://www.freeminds.org/psych/lifton.htm http://www.rickross.org/mind_control.html

  I would recommend the following books:

  Releasing the Bonds by Steven Hassan

  Combatting Cult Mind Control by Steven Hassan

  If you don't like to read you could order these videos:

  http://www.rickross.org/dvds/dvd.html

  Hope this helps! Take care mom. To answer your question, there is always hope! Many here have left, or have helped others leave. I'll be prayin for you!

  CYP
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  Please help,don't want to lose my daughter

  by katy in

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  Check_Your_Premises

  We are ready, willing, and able to do anything to help you.
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  Other than spiritual conversations you've heard at the Kingdom Hall.

  by JH in

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  i remember once talking to a brother at the kingdom hall, who was a car mechanic, and i asked him a little question about my car, and he replied, we don't talk about this at the kingdom hall, meaning we should only talk about spiritual things.... .

  gee, i couldn't believe what he told me, when just about everyone at the hall talks about anything butt religious stuff..

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  Check_Your_Premises

  I asked him a little question about my car, and he replied

  This is probably just his way of keeping from being inundated with car questions and mooching brothers wanting free repairs.

  CYP
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  "Joined-As-Adult" JW's: What need did the WT fulfill for you?

  by Check_Your_Premises in

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  were you able to fulfill or remove that need in some way?

  did fulfilling that need make it possible or easier for you to exit the wt?

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  Check_Your_Premises

  In the beginning it seemed so, but as time went on, the fact that they weren't fulfilling that need, and their lies, failed preditions, lack of love, ect. time to leave...

  So you were able to fulfill those needs outside the org?
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  "Joined-As-Adult" JW's: What need did the WT fulfill for you?

  by Check_Your_Premises in

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  were you able to fulfill or remove that need in some way?

  did fulfilling that need make it possible or easier for you to exit the wt?

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  Check_Your_Premises

  Yes. I accepted that no one or thing has control over life. I must look to myself for strength.

  What went into you having this realization? What external forces allowed or influenced it?
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  "Joined-As-Adult" JW's: What need did the WT fulfill for you?

  by Check_Your_Premises in

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  were you able to fulfill or remove that need in some way?

  did fulfilling that need make it possible or easier for you to exit the wt?

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  Check_Your_Premises

  You understand my motivation Crumpy.

  Much time and talk are spent here discussing certain facts about jw's to bring to light. There is also the school of thought that you have to approach it as a cult/mind control problem. But I think it goes even deeper, and is specific to the individual. I think absolutely NOTHING you can do or say will make a difference to the person if they NEED to believe in the jw.

  If you are able to remove the need, or fulfill it in some way, I think then the other approaches become possible.

  Before that, no dice.

  So as my dear, sweet, and absolutely lovely sister Crumpy pointed out, the question is more aimed at jw's.

  CYP
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  I'm back!!!!

  by RichieRich in

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  hello again from sunny north carolina!!!.

  our state lotto started today, and i won 15 dollars, and only bought 1 $1 card.

  so whoop whoop for gambling.. i was in miami florida last week for the photoshop world conference, but i also got to tour the everglades, where i took some beautiful pictures.

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  Check_Your_Premises

  Hey Richie! Welcome back and congratulations on your little trophy. Oh the scandal that will erupt when they finally catch on to all your activities. Your hall will just never be the same.

  Hey Crumpet! Love the new picture. But then again I love all of them. Hope things are well. Glad to see you around.

  CYP
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  "Joined-As-Adult" JW's: What need did the WT fulfill for you?

  by Check_Your_Premises in

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  were you able to fulfill or remove that need in some way?

  did fulfilling that need make it possible or easier for you to exit the wt?

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  Check_Your_Premises

  
  Were you able to fulfill or remove that need in some way?

  Did fulfilling that need make it possible or easier for you to exit the wt?