hello, i've been lurking the board for quite sometime now and i have also read crisis of conscience.
my hubby and i stopped attending the meetings since december and had our first christmas in 6 years.
it was fun although the feelings of guilt are still within us.. we've been visited by the elders twice but we managed to keep them at bay.
Calico
Id like to join everybody in welcoming you to the board. Feel free to talk and comment and even ask questions.
Like Think4 said, join us in chat and have some fun sometime, its great for a little light association.
My wife and I left the WTS hold on us about 6 weeks ago and we have both found this board invaluable.
Dave
focus, the quote below was taken from the list:.
http://www.freeminds.org/history/part4.htm.
could you please check the red text?
So does this indicate that Freeminds is telling lies and fabricating evidence?
Sage when you say original watchtowers, are you referring to volumes or individual magazine? I believe that Freeminds claims that these articles changed from original magazine to volume.
Could someone please confirm or deny that Freeminds has incorrectly quoted the above Watchtower
Thanks
David
joey's teacher sent a note home to his mother saying, "joey seems to be a very bright boy, but spends too much of his time thinking about sex and girls.".
the mother wrote back the next day, "if you find a solution, please advise.
i have the same problem with his father.
'I may be 87 but I still make love nearly every night.'
'bullshit'
'No, s'truth.'
'I nearly made it on Monday, I nearly made it on Tuesday ...'
joey's teacher sent a note home to his mother saying, "joey seems to be a very bright boy, but spends too much of his time thinking about sex and girls.".
the mother wrote back the next day, "if you find a solution, please advise.
i have the same problem with his father.
Whats the difference between broccoli and snot?
You cannot get kids to eat broccoli!
joey's teacher sent a note home to his mother saying, "joey seems to be a very bright boy, but spends too much of his time thinking about sex and girls.".
the mother wrote back the next day, "if you find a solution, please advise.
i have the same problem with his father.
Whats the difference between a lawyer and a leech?
When you die, the leech drops off!
joey's teacher sent a note home to his mother saying, "joey seems to be a very bright boy, but spends too much of his time thinking about sex and girls.".
the mother wrote back the next day, "if you find a solution, please advise.
i have the same problem with his father.
Whats the difference between a vulture and a lawyer?
The vulture doesnt get frequent flyer points
.
"forget the tribe, my pants have spoken.
"
GellerDriver
I find your portrayal of the Borg to be totally unnacceptable. Yes they are a group whose total control of its members is overwhelming and they have been known to be responsible for the death of many people as well as the destruction of many families.
However they do give their drones amazing amounts of knowledge and a complete sense of belonging in the hive mind. This is not at all anywhere near as bad as the organisation ruled by the two images you show.
Data
i just reread song of solomon for the first time in over ten years.
despite using the nwt, which butchers most biblical poetry to admiration, i was nevertheless struck its beauty.
if you haven't read it, it is about a shepherd's love for one of solomon's concubines, and it evokes a delicious, aching, tantalising, desire - yup really.
larc
so thats where my spiritual training fell down. I used to read the story bits in the bible like the flood and such or read the mags I just picked up before the meeting. (Always got them read this way)
Had I known that the road to true spiritual enlightenment was through the porn of Song of Solomon, I'd have been an addict like you Im sure. Obvously someone is to blame for this great lacking in my spiritual upbringing. Ahh, what the heck, Ill blame my congregation elders, might as well.
Thanks larc once again, you truly are a fountain of biblical wisdom
Dave
let's have some fun.did you find out some juicy gossip about a witness that you are just dying to blab?.
here's one from me.. i went to a hairdressing salon for the first time and the stylist was a camp male who never stopped chatting from the second he got his gesticulating paws on my scruffy mop.. my mum who is a devout jw was sitting reading a mag waiting for me.. next thing he's telling us about his gay male friend who is a bit down because he is having an affair with a jw.
to make things worse he is married with kids (the brother not the gay friend).. stifling my shock and trying not to look at my mum who is staring wildly and unseeingly at her mag i asked his name or address and although he didn't know the name he told us his street and district!.
Farkel,
I hope you realize that you dont make any sense whatsoever.
Dave
today, i had a long, long talk with my employer.
this person is some one who can seperate work and personal things, so after feeling like i needed to talk to someone, and soon, before i crack up, i went to her and dropped the bomb.
she is not a witness, and because i cannot talk to a witness about what i have learned, for fear of the df'ing thingy, i feel safe in talking to her.
ZEV,
First of all, (((((huggs))))) in a manly way of course.
I did sow seeds of doubt in my wife over a long period of time though not intentionall, I was just subtley voicing my own concerns.
We left together 6 weeks ago.
Much of what you can do depends upon both your personalities and your communication skills. Put yourself in her shoes, either way she loses.
If she chooses you then she loses the new system and virtual immortality and a feeling of knowing certainty. If she chooses the borg, then she loses you. Do not underestimate what she has to lose either way. If you care for her then appreciate her position. She WILL suffer major pain either way, as will you.
The other difficulty you face at the moment is your own need for love and security during this time. You will probably find yourself drawn into conversing with other women because women are usually more able to communicate on the emotional level. This can lead you into a situation where you find yourself bonding with another woman rather than your wife, which will drive another stake into your marriage.
Do not be mislead, although her decision as to what to do rests upon herself, what you choose to do and say will have a huge impact.
My heart goes out to you as does my wifes.
Feel free to email me if you desire.
Dave
