can anybody please help me out with some links on the cross versus torture stake debate either on jwd or external sites?
i know there was a thread on here not so long ago but i can't find it.. also, if any of you long time posters can recommend any outstanding ones from the deepest recesses of jwd which you might have kept as favourites, i would be most grateful.
i have to go offline for a while now so many thanks in advance for your help.. emo
Bumble Bee:
The book that was quoted by Parsons is online at gutenberg.org, not very long but interesting read. Basically he said it can not be proved one way or the other if Christ was impaled on stake or cross. Then goes on with history of the cross and other interesting opinions that do not match JW beliefs.
Peace,
Sheri
*** bh chap.
1 p. 10 par.
7 what is the truth about god?
Sick circle reasoning.
Just as it was brought out on an older thread as to the Daniel Book Study - Chapter 16 paragraphs 8-10 how Jehovah allowed Communists to creep into the Lord's organization and even appointed to high positions of service (gosh where is the Holy Spirit) and these inflitrators caused some faithful ones to fall into the hands of authorities (torture and rapes) "Jehovah allowed such things to happen for a refining and a cleansing of his people" so they could learn endurance from testing of their faith, quoting James 1: 2,3 to consider it all joy. But I guess I thought that the tests were from men not a "set up or Sting" from Jehovah, because James 1:13 When under trial let no one say: "I am being tried by God: For with evil things God cannot be tried nor does he himself try anyone."
The Blind leading the Blind.
Peace,
Sheri
i was disfellowshipped in 2003. systematically my family stopped talking to me.
i am only 22 years old and i feel a big void in my life.
what can i do to feel better?
Ryry Welcome to the board this is just the beginning for your to reach out and find friends to help you. Since you have access to the internet make use of it to find answer for yourself that you may have on religion, or whatever is upbuilding. I say kill them (shunners) with kindness and you never know one day they may have questions about what real love is as Jesus taught his followers. Look up articles on disfellowshipping under jwfacts.com and get some insight on how you have been treated.
If you were a JW by having parents that were JW's then really ask and answer for yourself what your beliefs are by reading the bible and other bible aids that the Watchtower. Do not isolate yourself from people as there are many good people out there in the world that will be good friends and not judge you.
i am a white male and was d'fed in late 2000. i started attending the sunday talk and wt for the last two years.
my old congregation was merged into a new congregation following the years that i was gone (downsizing yes) with now all the elders are another race than myself.
i wrote a re-instatement letter in mid dec...which the elders never answered till mid jan... for a committee hearing.
Do you believe if you are not a JW in good standing that you will die at Armageddon? Is that why you are going through all this nonsense? If I was you I would start a personal study of the bible and the society. Have your read Crisis of Conscience? There are many good websites to learn real history and get answers to your religious questions. I am still doing a personal study to validate or throw out all that I thought I knew what the Bible said per the Watchtower, it is truly an amazing journey.
If you have family and friends that shun you believe me there are many good people out there in the world and will accept you without strings attached. Remember Jesus did not come to condemn the world he came to save it, so dont let them brainwash you into thinking you are dead already if not a "JW"! This is between you and your God.
Peace & Love,
Sheri
it is surprising how intellectually dishonest an otherwise wonderful person can be; (a loved one) when it comes to holding on to.
a horrible lie.. you see it everyday.
a woman will defend her husband against child-molesting and disbelieve her own daughter.
I found this simple timeline book on history at Borders & Book on sale table: Investigate World History. authors: Anita Ganeri, Hazel Mary Martell, Brian Williams (Dempsey Parr Book Publishing). I had been conducting a Bible Study in the Knowledge Book and was on the chapter 10 God's Kingdom Rules, pg 96 #16 "Therefore, the destruction of Jerusalem by the Babylonians in 607 B.C.E> was very significant.." I had covered this section, never questioning the date being different from historical records and then on History Channel was a show about the History of God and they said Jerusalem was destroyed in 586 B.C.E., thinking that THEY WERE WRONG, I found this book I had purchased earlier and looked it up and sure enough the date of 586 B.C.E. was shown. I was shocked.
So started my research on WT CD, calling the society directly (told it was only a difference of 20 yrs and that using the Kings list from prior posts and reviewing WT literature the kings list does end up being 586 BCE, which I was told was because I was doing Traditional Math, Hello.......Oh and by they way he told me that I could write the Society for more information that they didnt publish but only gave to those who dug deeper but I had to write for it. Which again blew my mind what would God's food be on special order and disbursed to all.
Your wife will not find anything showing 607 BCE because it is only the WT that comes up with this date to force the 1919 being appointed as sole channel for Gods earthly organization. You can put in Destruction of First Temple Jerusalem in Search Engine and will get a lot of sites that are not apostate (per society). Especially going into Israel's official website will take you to this historical dates. Gee I would think they might know their own history, but no so according the WTS the whole world is wrong, even the publications they use as resources for 539 Pivotal Date for fall of Babylon will confirm the length of Kings to 586 fall of Jeruselm.
I have original book Babylonian Chronology 626 B.C.-AD.75 by Richard A. Parker and Waldo H. Dubberstein, 1956 - Brown University Press, which is quoted often in Insight Books and WT articles, which was given to me by elder JW to help me on research of 586 vs 607 and he supposed it would uphold 607because it was quoted for 539 date. It just shows that we accept what they print but often do not read what is referenced. It clearly supports 586 BCE!!!!!!!
Sorry for the long post, enjoy your research.
Peace
Sheri
this is probobly a long shot & i doubt it`s happened but does anyone know if any circuit overseers or district overseers have ever left.
if so, in what circumstances?
Skyman, what was the Tacoma Gate scandale?
Sheri
patrick and i just got back a week ago from a 10 day long escape to hawaii.
it was wonderfully relaxing.
the weather was in the mid 80's and sunny everyday.. patrick jumping off a boat that we took for a snorkel tour.
ALOHA glad you had a great time on the Big Island. If ever on Maui let me know.
Peace
Sheri
well this poor jw walked to the table to sort out the throw aways just as i headed there also.. i saw him and smiled, then he dropped his head to not look at me.
we both sorted out the things for the trash bin and were only about 20 or so inches apart.. i remember him coming to my house when my daughters were young girls and he wanted to get aquainted.. maybe i should have spoken to him but i just looked at him and he refused to even look back.. how sad.
he always has this really sad disappointed look on his face.
I was just shunned although not DF/DA just stopped going within the last year. It was the quick look away trick but I knew he saw me, so I walked by and went down another isle and back at him on another isle, then when I knew he saw me coming again he quickly started looking in the ice cream section, I came up to his cart and jiggled it, he looked over in "surprise" (yea right) and said Oh hello, I smiled said Hi and moved right along.
In the right circumstances I will not let them shun me.
Peace
Sheri
you know all the myspace.com warnings that were on here about elders on a witch hunt searching for active jw's blogs and using them against them?
well the elders didn't search but an old aquaintenance did.
she was disfellowshipped for her blogs concerning all the casual sex she was having.
That is so sick that JW's in trouble will turn others in to save their own skin.
I know of a JW who is in their 80's and was DF'd because someone else what in trouble now (an adult) confessed of something 25 yrs ago involving this JW and because the JW did not go to the elders 25 yrs ago they were DF'd.
Never mind the person went to Jehovah directly and repented, never mind they lead a "JW good life" ever since but because one could not except responsibility for their present problems they had to make points by confessing more thus an elderly, sick JW is DF'd.
Oh let that Love flow!
Peace,
Sheri
i have a rather lengthy question/statement, so please bear with me.
i would like to apologize in advance if i offend anyone with this post.
i dont mean to judge anyone here.
Undercover I agree with you.
When I was discussing my questioning the Society and their teaching, I too was asked Where Will You Go? and my response was "Who said I had to go anywhere".
I enjoy my research to examine the "truth" as it was taught to me. It is amazing the manipulation of the written word to the publications. The more I study the more I learn it is our individual relationship with our God, whom ever that maybe to the individual. No one man/ woman has the answers for each one of us; just do good to all humanity as best you can with what you have been given in this life and it will all wash out in the long run. Make peace with yourself and peace with others, whether they want it or not (especially JW families that shun you) Kill them with LOVE. Someday they just may see that it is love that prevails not separation and judging because a group of men tell you that is what God wants you to do.
I do attend other services sometimes, like Unity, Hope Fellowship, but I know that I will never JOIN another religion. I am doing just fine with a one on one with my God. My Personal Study of Religion is truly enjoyable and never ending, I do it more now with peace of mind rather than the anger I first had when I started this journey.
No church or religion should force others to judge another member to the degree that the Society does and at the same time do things behind the scenes that would not be acceptable to the congregation if it was fully understood and known. Men do this not God.
Peace
Sheri
