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  JW'S: WHAT A LOVING BUNCH!

  by Mary in

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  i just found out that one of my moms friends is in the process of being taken to the cleaners by her scumbag son-in-law and her own daughter---both who are witnesses.

  she's been widowed for several years now and, like many witnesses, her husband had no life insurance (why bother----the new system was going to be here long before either of them got sick or died right?

  ) and she had never worked outside the home.. anyway, she managed to save enough money through working part time (she gets part of her husband's pension but it's only about $800.00 a month) and she put a small downpayment on a place to live.

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  bennyk

  Even when you are dealing with the "friend sticking closer than a brother", it is wise to 'put it in writing.'

  Because sometimes people die.
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  Deceptive or just wrong?

  by johnnyc in

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  i have been virtually non-stop studying everything i can get my hands on with regards the wtbts, and "apostate" literature and information.

  in all honesty, 80% at least is non-sense and over critical.

  however, i do find about 20% (if i have to create a percentage reference) is appropriate in its line of reasoning and questioning.

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  bennyk

  They are NOT "just wrong", they are deceptive.

  "The Watchtower has consistently presented evidence to honesthearted students of Bible prophecy that Jesus' presence in heavenly kingdom power began in 1914." Watchtower, 15. Jan. 1993, p. 5, para. 3

  However, the Watch Tower Society actually taught that the presence had begun in 1874: W May 1881, WTR p.223, W Sept. 1898, WTR p.359, W 01. Jan. 1910, WTR p.4543, W 15. Feb. 1928, p.54, para. 24. Other pre- and post-1914 statements indicate that the teaching promulgated by the Watch Tower Society had been that Jesus' reign in heavenly kingdom power began in 1878: e.g. W Dec. 1879, WTR p.58, W 15. Dec. 1892, WTR p.1484, W 15. Nov. 1916, WTR p.5990.

  "Based on what [Jesus] said, along with the words of Daniel and John, Jehovah's witnesses pointed to the year 1914, decades in advance,* as marking the start of 'the conclusion of the system of things.' " Awake! of 22. January 1973, p. 8, para. 4

  However, the Watch Tower Society actually taught that the "time of the end" began in A.D. 1799: W Nov. 1890, WTR p.1258, W 01. Nov. 1914, WTR p.5565, The Harp of God, p. 229-234, W 01. Dec. 1928 p. 25, para. 13.

  The Watch Tower Society has knowingly lied about its history.
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  any problems with this 607 response from Elder PO

  by besty in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  back in may 2007 i got this response from my brother who later acted as chief witness for the prosecution at our kangaroo court.

  in fact he travelled 1000 miles round trip to do so.

  he was motivated :-).

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  Can I play, too?

  we can either accept the Scriptural chronology (with 1914 following from this evidenced by dramatic and irrevocable change in the world situation i.e. “the last days”) ...

  The change was so dramatic that they continued to trumpet the year 1799 as the beginning of the last days until at least 1927...
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  Do You or Someone you Know - Talk in their Sleep ? Any Experiences ?

  by flipper in

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  2. friends

  i've been given permission by my wife to relate this - i think we need a fluff thread around here !

  first of all - i don't know what it is that i have done to women in my life - but a few of them have tended to talk in their sleep !

  my current wife, mrs. flipper talked in her sleep after the first week we started sleeping together !

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  bennyk

  My wife and I once had a conversation in our sleep.

  She was having a nightmare and woke herself screaming "NO! NO!! NO!!!"

  and heard me ask in my sleep: "Why not?"
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  Defence of watchtower society Links

  by reniaa in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i thought long and hard before making this thread, that many will not agree with it but i think there needs to be balance and people to realise there are alternate viewpoints out there on many of these subjects, the ones that are most spoke about on this forum.

  i was recently sent a full message containing mary's book and these links give the rebuttal to many of her points.

  those that are still open-minded enough feel free to look over them even if in the end you still don't agree at least you have heard both the defence as well as the attack as they are on the internet.

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  I thought this was satire.

  I wish it were satire...
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  Defence of watchtower society Links

  by reniaa in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i thought long and hard before making this thread, that many will not agree with it but i think there needs to be balance and people to realise there are alternate viewpoints out there on many of these subjects, the ones that are most spoke about on this forum.

  i was recently sent a full message containing mary's book and these links give the rebuttal to many of her points.

  those that are still open-minded enough feel free to look over them even if in the end you still don't agree at least you have heard both the defence as well as the attack as they are on the internet.

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  bennyk

  "Scholar" asks:

  What Gospel do you preach if you have one, Do you? If you are a Christian then how are you obeying Jesus' command at Mattjew 28:19, 20?

  The Gospel of our Lord Christ Jesus promises Believers forgiveness of sin, justification in God's sight, reconciliation with our heavenly Father, and adoption as His sons (bzw. "children"). Please do read the book of Romans. It is this Scriptural Gospel I share with those I meet.
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  Defence of watchtower society Links

  by reniaa in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i thought long and hard before making this thread, that many will not agree with it but i think there needs to be balance and people to realise there are alternate viewpoints out there on many of these subjects, the ones that are most spoke about on this forum.

  i was recently sent a full message containing mary's book and these links give the rebuttal to many of her points.

  those that are still open-minded enough feel free to look over them even if in the end you still don't agree at least you have heard both the defence as well as the attack as they are on the internet.

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  "Scholar" writes:

  If the Witnesses are not the True Religion then where is it to found today? They have no coherent doctrine, no ministry, no brotherhood in short they have NOTHING to offer except ridicule and vile hatred of Truth, Justice and Christiian Freedom.

  I HEARTILY AGREE. The Witnesses have NO coherent doctrine. Their "ministry" is condemned as a false Gospel (Gal. 1:8,9). The "brotherhood" is a fiction (John 13:34,35). The Watch Tower Society does indeed ridicule and hate Truth, Justice and Christian Freedom.
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  Defence of watchtower society Links

  by reniaa in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i thought long and hard before making this thread, that many will not agree with it but i think there needs to be balance and people to realise there are alternate viewpoints out there on many of these subjects, the ones that are most spoke about on this forum.

  i was recently sent a full message containing mary's book and these links give the rebuttal to many of her points.

  those that are still open-minded enough feel free to look over them even if in the end you still don't agree at least you have heard both the defence as well as the attack as they are on the internet.

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  bennyk

  "DEFENSE" is spelled "DEFENCE" in Great Britain...
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  Defence of watchtower society Links

  by reniaa in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i thought long and hard before making this thread, that many will not agree with it but i think there needs to be balance and people to realise there are alternate viewpoints out there on many of these subjects, the ones that are most spoke about on this forum.

  i was recently sent a full message containing mary's book and these links give the rebuttal to many of her points.

  those that are still open-minded enough feel free to look over them even if in the end you still don't agree at least you have heard both the defence as well as the attack as they are on the internet.

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  bennyk

  Reniaa stated:

  hmmm it kinda depends how you define prophet, they have never actually given a date for armegeddon

  Actually, they have:

  the 'battle of the great day of God Almighty', which will end in AD 1914 with the complete overthrow of earth's present rulership, is already commenced." The Time Is At Hand, 1911 ed., p. 101.

  End in 1914 (?) Already commenced (?)

  While it was an agreeable surprise to us (in view of the contrary sensational accounts so often published) to find the situation in Europe as we here describe it--in harmony with what the Scriptures had led us to expect--yet so great is our confidence in the Word of God and in the light of present truth shining upon it, that we could not have doubted its testimony whatever had been the appearances. The date of the close of that "battle" is definitely marked in Scripture as October, 1914. It is already in progress, its beginning dating from October, 1874. Thus far it has been chiefly a battle of words and a time of organizing forces --capital, labor, armies and secret societies.

  Watch Tower, 15. January, 1892 (Reprints page 1355)
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  need 1927 WT....sounds stoopid...but need it...

  by oompa in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  can anyone please give me a scan of the feb 15, 1927 wt, or directions on how to find it?...the quote is "this then would be a strong indication that some member of the new creation will be on earth at the time of armageddon".

  the article i think is a similar teaching of the "new light" of who the "this generation" teaching is now...the fds................thanks.........oompa.

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  bennyk

  For further info: http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/10/143844/1.ashx