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  Who knows of an Annointed one getting Disfellowshipped?

  by annalice in

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  ok ,so if new annointed ones can still come about , who here has ever heard of any annointed ones in their congregation or surrounding congregations getting disfellowshipped or simply fading out of the organization.

  thus allowing some new annointed one to take their place?.

  and if someone says "hey i am annointed" do they have to check with bethal who then checks a list or something to see if there is a annointed one somewhere in the world who just got d'fd?.

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  bennyk

  A comment was made above: "The only way it can go up is if one or more that have already received his/her heavenly reward turns bad and has to be replaced."

  Not so. There is another explanation. [Disclaimer: I do not believe this.]

  The replacement of an "unfaithful, formerly anointed" individual need not be immediate, but rather, take place after the passage of some time (perhaps several years). Thus, the number of recognized anointed members of the "Remnant" will fall both because of death AND upon their defection from the "one, true Faith" []. Accordingly, it could be (but need not appear as) a one-for-one replacement because the cumulative defection of not-yet-replaced Evil Slaves could take place over several years, followed by a total replacement in a SINGLE year. If the number of recognized replacements exceeds the number of those who have died faithful since the previous Memorial, the total number of "anointed" will appear to increase. Of course, such an explanation is necessary only if the number 144 000 be literal.
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  Governing body member comments about new anointed

  by Kosonen in

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  http://www.jwbrothers.org/play_audio.php?audio=612.

  i listened to the talk of samuel herd, a governing body member.

  he says something like, many new anointed are real trouble-makers in the congregations.

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  bennyk

  In 1935 the "great crowd" of Revelation 7:9-15 was understood to be made up of "other sheep," Christians with an earthly hope, who would appear on the world scene in "the last days" and who as a group would survive Armageddon. (John 10:16; 2 Timothy 3:1; Revelation 21:3, 4) After that year, the thrust of the disciple-making work turned to the gathering in of the great crowd. Hence, especially after 1966 it was believed that the heavenly call ceased in 1935. This seemed to be confirmed when almost all who were baptized after 1935 felt that they had the earthly hope. Thereafter, any called to the heavenly hope were believed to be replacements for anointed Christians who had proved unfaithful.
  (Watchtower, 01.05.07)

  Compare to the following:

  Life Everlasting (1966) (p. 147)
  53 Since then, going on to a million persons have
  Dedicated themselves to Jehovah God and have
  been baptized in water and now profess to belong,
  not to the anointed remnant of the “little flock,”
  (p. 148)
  but to the “other sheep.” In fact, no heavenly
  calling, no spiritual Kingdom hope, were held be-
  fore them at the time of their water baptism.Why was this? What did this baptism and bring-
  ing in of such “other sheep” since 1934 mean?
  
  54 Evidently it meant that the 144,000 who were
  called to the heavenly kingdom had been picked
  out by that time and that there was just a rem-
  nant of those “anointed” for the Kingdom left
  on earth.”
  
  
  It certainly seems to me that the Society set the stage for the confirmation of their teaching. The circular reasoning is priceless! ‘Because the heavenly calling ended circa 1934, it was not offered to the “other sheep”, which meant they necessarily felt they had an earthly hope, and since they did, it indicates the heavenly calling ended circa 1934…’
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  Telling omission in 29 March WT study. They are taking over God's mind!!

  by hamsterbait in

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  para 12:.

  in that same prophecy jehovah told his chosen servant: "i shall safeguard you and give you as a covenant of the people."[...

  that solemn promise provided assurance that god's faithful servant would continue as as a "light of nations," liberating those in darkness.. fair enough your average dub thinks.. but look at paragraph 3;.

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  bennyk

  If, in fact, they are now defining "The Christ" as Jesus and the 144 000 Anointed, this is only a partial return to Russell's teachings.

  The Society used the term "The Christ, Head and Body members" until the early 1950's (so far as memory serves).
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  Required Reading (Before you become a JW)

  by sacolton in

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  there would be no jws if these books were read first .... .

  another gospel.

  ruth a. tucker.

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  bennyk

  Highly recommended:

  Jehovah's Witnesses: Their Claims, Doctrinal Changes, and Prophetic Speculation. What Does the Record Show? by Edmond C. Gruss
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  Need WT quotes prior to 1914 about how bad the times were then...

  by oompa in

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  newbie lurk3r asked me about a post i made, this one: i was a bit surprised to read some pre 1914 wt's lately that spoke of how awful things were!.....now wt quotes scholars as to how incredibly peacful an wonderful it was prior to 1914....hipocrites.............oompa.

  now i cant remember where i saw them at, and he wants to know....i would love a few quotes from them saying how awful times were between 1874 and 1914.....anybody know how to find this without actually reading a bunch of them?

  i think i may have been browisng some and could tell from the article title that it was about the doom and gloom back then......... .

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  bennyk

  OH, NO!!!!!! Things were so bad...

  CAN IT BE DELAYED UNTIL 1914?

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  Seventeen years ago people said, concerning the time features presented in MILLENNIAL DAWN, They seem reasonable in many respects, but surely no such radical changes could occur between now and the close of 1914: if you had proved that they would come about in a century or two, it would seem much more probable.

  What changes have since occurred, and what velocity is gained daily! "The old is quickly passing, and the new is coming in."

  Now, in view of recent labor troubles and threatened anarchy, our readers are writing to know if there may not be a mistake in the 1914 date. They say that they do not see how present conditions can hold out so long under the strain.

  We see no reason for changing the figures-- nor could we change them if we would. They are, we believe, God's dates, not ours. But bear in mind that the end of 1914 is not the date for the beginning, but for the end of the time of trouble. We see no reason for changing from our opinion expressed in the View presented in the WATCH TOWER of Jan. 15, '92. We advise that it be read again.

  Watch Tower Reprints page 1677 (15. July 1894)
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  Organ Transplants Bad->Good / Blood Transfusions Bad->Good ?

  by still_in74 in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  so after all this what is acceptable and what is not?

  acceptable.

  not acceptable.

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  bennyk

  The possibility that the Organisation was moving toward considering blood transfusions a conscience matter was discussed a while ago; note the following (Thanks, Bulldozer):

  ***g73 6/8 p.15 Blood Transfusions - a Biological "Sin"***

  Since the blood cells are normally destroyed in sixty days and the liquid content turnover is even more rapid, a blood transfusion is a temporary or a transient transplant of a liquid organ. Indeed, this is undoubtedly the reason for its general acceptance at a time when organ transplantation is considered experimental.

  ***g74 3/22 p.21 My Life as a Surgeon***

  Blood transfusion is now recognized as a dangerous procedure-as hazardous as any other organ transplant.

  ***bq p.41 Jehovah's Witnesses and the Question of Blood***

  Consequently, whether having religious objections to blood transfusions or not, many a person might decline blood simply because it is essentially an organ transplant that at best is only partially compatible with his own blood.

  ***hb p.8 Blood Transfusions - How Safe?***

  a transfusion is a tissue transplant.

  ***g90 10/22 p.9 Gift of Life or Kiss of Death?***

  As cardiovascular surgeon Denton Cooley notes: "A blood transfusion is an organ transplant. . . . I think that there are certain incompatibilities in almost all blood transfusions."

  ***g99 8/22 p.31 Are Blood Transfusions Really Necessary?***

  Blood is an organ of the body, and blood transfusion is nothing less than an organ transplant.

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  Perhaps this was intended to introduce a change in the Blood policy?

  ***g00 1/8 Pioneers in Medicine***

  [Footnote]

  Jehovah's Witnesses view organ transplant operations as a matter of individual conscience.
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  1919? Where do they get that date?

  by donny in

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  refresh my memory.

  i know jw's teach that the fds was appointed in the spring of 1919, but where in the scriptures do they "support" this announcment?

  i have a jw that wants to speak to me and i need to refresh my understanding.

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  bennyk

  Proclaimers chap. 10 p. 137 Growing in Accurate Knowledge of the Truth They also came to understand that it was in the year 1914 that Christ's invisible presence had begun and that this was, not by his personally returning (even invisibly) to the vicinity of the earth, but by his directing his attention toward the earth as ruling King.

  So, according to the WTS, Jesus is now present; it's just that he isn't here... (?)
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  Memorial Dating

  by A&S in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  memorial is supposed to be held on aviv(nissan ) 14 .

  the following shows how it is determined .. the biblical year begins with the first new moon after the barely in isreal reaches the stage in its ripeness called abib (aviv) the period between one year and the next is either 12 or 13 lunar months .

  because of this , it is important to check the state of the barley crops at the end of the 12th month .

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  bennyk

  Yes. And under the old system, the month does not begin with the calculation of a new moon, but requires an actual sighting of a visible new moon (crescent). In the event of cloud cover, the first of the month was declared on the day following the calculated new moon. Therefore, we also cannot determine the first of the month in advance...
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  How do you answer "you research just to criticize"?

  by undercover in

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  2. friends

  minimus' thread about research got me to thinking about a friend who recently accused me of researching just to purposely find something wrong so i could justify my actions (of becoming inactive).. how would you answer this?.

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  bennyk

  "’Are we at the End of the World?’ was the subject of

  Mr. Rutherford’s address. This was his first public appearance

  in Brooklyn since the death of Pastor Russell.

  "’Criticism of a man is hardly the proper course for a

  Christian,’ he said, ’but criticism of a man’s teachings is always

  proper. " (Watch Tower, 15. June 1917 [Reprints page 6104])
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  How do you answer "you research just to criticize"?

  by undercover in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  minimus' thread about research got me to thinking about a friend who recently accused me of researching just to purposely find something wrong so i could justify my actions (of becoming inactive).. how would you answer this?.

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  bennyk

  "When anyone is replying to a matter before he hears [it], that is foolishness on his part and a humiliation."

  Proverbs 18:13