They refer to the false prophecies and unscriptural teachings as "old light", "previously cherished views", "expectations requiring adjustment", &c. They are never called what they were/are. Perhaps the term "old darkness" needs to be introduced...
bennyk
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Does the WTS think they have immunity from Duet 18;20-22?
by jookbeard inas far as i can remember i have never seen any counter argument from the wts in refuting this scripture in any of it's publications.
they call themselves the elijah class, the jonnadab class, the greater david, the faithful &wise servant, the governing body, the faithful and discreet slave(lol) etc, and even by their own admission's they have been wrong when their light got brighter in making bible prophesies, the failed prophesies of 1874,1914,1919,1935,1975 and the recent lies and failed prophesies concerning the generation and the cut off date for anointed christians of 1935, show this.
so the passage from deut is clearly very serious if those who have spoken in gods name things that have failed to come true, the bottom line is death to that prophet , pure and simple.
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Selection of the JWs in 1918/1919 - how might a JW attempt to show from the Bible
by insearchoftruth ini had asked my wife, who is in the study phase with a jw sister about the selection of the jws by jc in 1918/1919 time frame and she had actually never heard of that.. the husband of this woman she is studying with has been chomping at the bit to talk to me...well my wife said she will ask him to come show me, using only the bible, how this selection was made...of course she did not clear this request with the dubman before telling me she would do this.. i am guessing he will be there when i get home from work tomorrow, she is also torturing our son with a bs now (her son from a previous marriage).. what sort of reach do you think he will try to make to show this...i am guessing he will try to show 1914 from the daniel/revelation stuff, if he does this i am going to ask him to show 607bce from a non jw source....since i believe it is 586/587 bce as a starting date......i hope to keep him on the 1918/1919 topic, and have some examples of their beliefs from that era to talk about as well.
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bennyk
Also, you asked about whether it would be wise to mention that modern Bible Student groups adhere more closely to what the WTS taught in 1918-19. I don't think it would add much to the conversation to bring this up. The JW response is that the light gets brighter and those Bible Students are stuck in the past. It would be a distraction and would likely lead off on a tangent.
I guess the only reason I would ask this question is to show that the folks who are presently known as JWs were not exclusive to their beliefs/thinking at that time...
I would be inclined to ask why Jesus did not choose the Associated Bible Students (Pastoral Bible Institute). They were teaching everything the Watch Tower Society was in 1918, excepting the bizarre new doctrines found in The Finished Mystery and Millions Now Living Will Never Die! (e.g. the false prophecies regarding 1918, 1920 and 1925).
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August 1 Watchtower on my desk!
by AK - Jeff inmy wife encountered a jw today at the uptown laundry where she goes to dry blankets and large items from time to time.. i had just asked her an hour earlier to look around and see if any mags were laying around there - i don't know why.
i just wanted to see if any major layout changes were taking place with the watchliar and asleep lately.. i have not opened them.
i am looking though at the cover of the tower - cover title 'how can you choose a good religion?
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bennyk
This is the article which quotes Jesus' words at Matt. 7:15 ("Beware of false prophets...)
The Society has quite the stones, hasn't it?
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Birthday Celebrations & other shenanigans
by homeschool inwell, here's my latest "thing"...i plan on speaking with my siblings & their mates in the near future.
i have told them that i have questions regarding some doctrines, mainly stuff like birthdays, mother's day, father's day, etc.
my hubby has some questions for them regarding their wacky blood doctrine (but i wont cover that in this thread).
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bennyk
If the celebration of birthdays is wrong BECAUSE in the scriptural accounts ONE person died at each of two such celebrations, would it not be forbidden to give (wedding) presents???
(1 Kings 9:16NWT: "(Pharaoh the king of Egypt himself had come up and then captured Ge'zer and burned it with fire, and the Ca'naanites dwelling in the city he had killed. So he gave it as a parting gift to his daughter, the wife of Solomon.)")
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Pastor Russell Said (in 1908) Beware of Apostates!!!!!
by whereami inyou gotta love good old russell.. http://pastorrussell.blogspot.com/2009/03/beware-of-apostates.htmlpastor russell said (in 1908).
all who cut loose from the society and its work, instead of prospering themselves or upbuilding others in the faith and in the graces of the spirit, seemingly do the reverseattempt injury to the cause they once served, and, with more or less noise, gradually sink into oblivion, harming only themselves and others possessed of a similarly contentious spirit.
if some think that they can get as good or better provender at other tables, or that they can produce as good or better themselveslet these take their course.
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bennyk
The quote comes from the 01. October 1909 Watch Tower, reprints pages 4482-4.
I believe the controversy came about because Russell had begun to deny that the New Covenant is for the Church, and because of the curious incident of the "Vow".
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"Apostates can only criticize , tear down and destroy "
by BluesBrother in"apostates can only criticize , tear down and destroy " say the active dubs, "where is their hope of something better?
what is their message to mankind ?
if they have nothing better to offer, how can they attack our faith, which at least offers a hope of a better world?".
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bennyk
[Recycled old post (2/26/2009)]
"’Are we at the End of the World?’ was the subject of
Mr. Rutherford’s address. This was his first public appearance
in Brooklyn since the death of Pastor Russell.
"’Criticism of a man is hardly the proper course for a
Christian,’ he said, ’but criticism of a man’s teachings is always
proper. " (Watch Tower, 15. June 1917 [Reprints page 6104])
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70 years = 607?
by allelsefails in70 years of captivity?.
i myself have always believed that when archaeology disagreed with the bible the bible must be right.
that is how i dismissed the idea that jerusalem was destroyed in 586/587 bce.
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bennyk
"scholar" writes:
When you have a prophecy or when you begin to prophecy then you can start talking about what others have done.
Actually, Deut. 18:20-22 requires no such thing.
Neither does Jesus at Matt. 7:15-20.
Neither does the Apostle John at 1 John 4:1.
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70 years = 607?
by allelsefails in70 years of captivity?.
i myself have always believed that when archaeology disagreed with the bible the bible must be right.
that is how i dismissed the idea that jerusalem was destroyed in 586/587 bce.
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bennyk
"scholar" writes:
Ann O Maly
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But those predicted events did come about with the outbreak of World War 1 and the ending of the Gentile Times as corroborated by the media of the day and several clergyman some years later. Thus, those Bible Students were forever vindicated for their integrity.
So "scholar" is now claiming that the media of the day and several clergymen (some years later) corroborated Russell's claims by stating that the 'very elect had all been changed by 1915' and that 'natural Israel was restored to divine favour under the New Covenant'. Very interesting. And -- of course -- he also feels the Bible Students were forever vindicated for their integrity because they promulgated false prophecies in millions of copies for decades, and then lied about it. That is "scholar's" definition of 'acting with integrity.' Apparently, "scholar" has found it too challenging to be 'modest, honest, and sincere.'
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70 years = 607?
by allelsefails in70 years of captivity?.
i myself have always believed that when archaeology disagreed with the bible the bible must be right.
that is how i dismissed the idea that jerusalem was destroyed in 586/587 bce.
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bennyk
"scholar" writes:
Your mischevious misuse of the quote from a 1913 WT does you no credit but at least simply proves that those early Bible Students acted with integrity and that is something lacking with apostates and a a quality that you would do well to imitate.
It may be "mischevious", but I fail to understand how it was a "misuse." I simply took Russell at his word... Please explain how promulgating false prophecies in millions of copies for decades, and then lying about it is 'acting with integrity.'
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70 years = 607?
by allelsefails in70 years of captivity?.
i myself have always believed that when archaeology disagreed with the bible the bible must be right.
that is how i dismissed the idea that jerusalem was destroyed in 586/587 bce.
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bennyk
"scholar" writes:
The clincher for such an approved methodology is the fact that the Gentile Times expired in 1914 CE based upon the scholarly determined 607-537 BCE scenario.
The "Gentile Times" did not expire in 1914.
The non-fulfillment of Russell's "expectations" "prove[d] [Russell's] chronology wrong.
The non-fulfillment of Russell's "expectations" "work[ed] irreparable wreck to ... the epoch called 'Gentile Times'...
But let us suppose a case far from our expectations: Suppose that A.D. 1915 should pass with the world's affairs all serene and with evidence that the "very elect" had not all been "changed" and without the restoration of natural Israel to favor under the New Covenant.(Rom. 11:12,15.) What then? Would not that prove our chronology wrong? Yes, surely! And would not that prove a keen disappointment? Indeed it would! It would work irreparable wreck tothe Parallel dispensations and Israel's Double, and to the Jubilee calculations, and to the prophecy of the 2300 days of Daniel, and to the epoch called "Gentile Times," and to the 1260, 1290 and 1335 days, the latter of which marking the beginning of the Harvest so well fulfilled its prediction, "Oh, the blessedness of him that waiteth and cometh unto the 1335 days!" None of these would be available longer. What a blow that would be! One of the strings of our "harp" would be quite broken! Watch Tower Reprints, p.5368 (December, 1913)