Posts by bennyk

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2011 Special Talk: Bible Principles-Can They Help Us to Cope With Today's Problems?

by yknot in

ahh low and behold!.

it turns out those bethelites were being bold!.

brazen is what many with login privileges can be called.... ....... knowing that such an important talk outline shouldn't be stalled!.

bennyk

Conspicuous by its absence: Why is Matthew 24:45 never quoted/cited?

Evidently, "newly-interested ones" are not to be bombarded with the usual 'follow the Slave' crap...

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If this ain't a prophecy, what is?

by wasblind in

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on page 97 in the reasoning book it states: " before the last members of the generation that was alive in 1914 will have passed off the scene, all the things foretold will occur, including the "great tribulation" in which the present wicked world will end.".

if you have a reasoning book pick it up!!!!!!

bennyk

drewcoul writes:

They claim that it's ok since they never said "This is Jehovah has said:....."

Actually, they did:

"Jehovah's prophetic word through Jesus Christ is: 'This generation [of 1914] will by no means pass away until all things occur.' (Luke 21:32) And Jehovah, who is the source of inspired an unfailing prophecy, will bring about the fulfillment."
--The Watchtower, May 15, 1984, pgs. 6-7 (Brackets in original).

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has this been on the site before? about there never having claimed to be a prophet?

by booby in

*** w72 4/1 p. 200 they shall know that a prophet was among them' ***.

yes, the time must come shortly that the nations will have to know that really a "prophet" of jehovah was among them.

actually now more than a million and a half persons are helping that collective or composite "prophet" in his preaching work and well over that number of others are studying the bible with the "prophet" group and its companions..

bennyk

Elder-Patrol writes:

Read 1 Chronicles 17:1-4. The prophet Nathan was flat-out wrong. Eventually God corrected that prophet and the prophet subsequently corrected his proclamation.

"Eventually"?????? The Scripture states (vs. 3) that it came about "on that night" that Almighty God corrected the prophet's off-the-cuff remark to David. Now, if God had waited for sixty or seventy years before correcting it, that may have provided an example analogous to the proclamations of the errant Watch Tower Society...

In addition, unlike Nathan, the Society actually blames God for the falsehoods they declare in His name:

13 The fact that decides the answer to the question is, not, Do all the clergy of Roman Catholicism and of Protestantism agree that Jehovah’s witnesses have been and are God’s prophet to the nations? but, Who discerned the divine will for Christians in this time of the world’s end and offered themselves to do it? Who have undertaken God’s foreordained work for this day of judgment of the nations? Who have answered the call to the work and have done it down till this year 1958? Whom has God actually used as his prophet?14 By the historical facts of the case Christendom is beaten back in defeat. Jehovah’s witnesses are deeply grateful today that the plain facts show that God has been pleased to use them. All the preaching and all the Bible educational work that they have done till now in 175 countries and islands of the sea they confess has been, not by help of a military army, nor by human power, but by God’s spirit, his invisible active force. (Zech. 4:6, AV) It has been because Jehovah thrust out his hand of power and touched their lips and put his words in their mouths. It has evidently been because he commissioned them to be over the nations and over the kingdoms. Happy are all those who have seen what the work of Jehovah God for now is and who have volunteered to do it. (w59 1/15 pp. 40-41 pars. 13-14)

22 As Jehovah revealed his truths by means of the first-century Christian congregation so he does today by means of the present-day Christian congregation. Through this agency he is having carried out prophesying on an intensified and unparalleled scale. All this activity is not an accident. Jehovah is the one behind all of it. The abundance of spiritual food and the amazing details of Jehovah’s purposes that have been revealed to Jehovah’s anointed witnesses are clear evidence that they are the ones mentioned by Jesus when he foretold a “faithful and discreet slave” class that would be used to dispense God’s progressive revelations in these last days. Of this class Jesus said: “Truly I say to you, He will appoint him over all his belongings.”-Matt. 24:47. (w64 6/15 p. 365 par. 22)

Stirring up increasing interest in them, Jehovah caused to be preached from 1918 onward the startling public message "Millions Now Living Will Never Die," and in 1923 he provided the interpretation of "the parable of the sheep and the goats" (Watchtower, Nov. 15, 1955, p. 698 § 36)

(The last quote is especially unfortunate when one remembers that Rutherford had admitted "making an ass of [himself]" with the false prophecy regarding 1925. ["Regarding his misguided statements as to what we could expect in 1925, he once confessed to us at Bethel, 'I made an ass of myself.'" (Watchtower, 01. October, 1984, p. 24) ] )

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Conscious Class Secret Signal

by Red Piller in

jw
friends

hello, i've been thinking of a way to rattle the powers that be.

what do you all think of the brothers wearing yellow ties and the sisters wearing solid yellow bracelets on the saturday of any ca, sad, or dc?.

when you look across the concourse and see - you will wonder.. it's easily deniable: "i am a what?!!

bennyk

Hey, why not increase the Organisation's paranoia?

I suggest the "conscious-class" Brothers wear a suit, and the Sisters a dress or skirt & blouse.

(Bethel Lurkers report: "They're everywhere!!!")

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Can Ministerial Servants Fade?

by ihadnoidea in

if you step down, they are going to want to know why?

what do you say?.

bennyk

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Can Ministerial Servants Fade?

by ihadnoidea in

if you step down, they are going to want to know why?

what do you say?.

bennyk

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Pray for the Governing Body

by pirata in

i was told that at the 2010 annual meeting, jws were asked to pray for the governing body to remain(?

) discreet and make wise decisions.. please include this in your prayers..

bennyk

Don't you mean that they requested that the "Brothers" pray to the Governing Body?

It seems more likely in view of the recent Watchtower mags...

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december awake page 8

by booby in

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looks like they had to go back to 1912 to find a secular source that suited their agenda.. christmas customs and traditions-their history and significance.

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bennyk

Too bad they didn't return to a Watch Tower of yesteryear for a suitable quote:

Even though Christmas is not the real anniversary of our Lord's birth, but more properly the annunciation day or the date of his human begetting (Luke 1:28), nevertheless, since the celebration of our Lord's birth is not a matter of divine appointment or injunction, but merely a tribute of respect to him, it is not necessary for us to quibble particularly about the date. We may as well join with the civilized world in celebrating the grand event on the day which the majority celebrate - "Christmas day." ( Watch Tower, 01. December 1904, p364)

It matters not particularly that December 25 is not the anniversary of our Lord's birth, according to the Scriptural account; that really he was born about September 25, nine months later. One day, as well as another, will serve us to commemorate our Saviour's birth in the flesh, as a gift of God's love to a condemned and dying world. Indeed, in some respects December 25, which corresponds to the date of our Lord's annunciation or begetting by the holy Spirit in the womb of Mary, may be considered even more appropriate for celebration than the day of his death. (Watch Tower, 15. December 1908, p380)

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Interesting Watchtower quote on Jeremiah 29:10 - Seventy years FOR Babylon.

by nicolaou in

anyone familiar with the society's tortuous reasoning on the whole 607b.c.e - 586/7b.c.e debate knows how, and why, they consistently render jeremiah 29:10 as;.

"for this is what jehovah has said, in accord with the fulfilling of seventy years at babylon i shall turn my attention to you people,.

however, in the infamous book 'from paradise lost to paradise regained' on page 114 we find the following;.

bennyk

Right, Mad. The seventy years of servitude began before Jerusalem was destroyed. Cf. Jeremiah 27:11-13, 17.

This is important because it disproves the Watch Tower Society's calculations to determine the end of the"Gentile Times".

And because they are wrong about that, they are also wrong about their alleged "appointment" in 1919...

(Incidentally, nic, the Scandinavian versions of the NWT have "for Babylon" -- not "at Babylon".)

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Why do JW's downplay older WT articles?

by mamalove in

i was looking at brotherdan's thread about the two articles that really point out in the wtbs's own words that we must follow this organization, blah blah, and they are indeed a cult from reading those articles.

it made me think that i would love to show my mom and sister that, but i know the response would be "so what, that is a 40 year old magazine," it was dated 1969, and 1983 was the other article i believe.. are the jw's i know the only ones who poo poo older articles and say that thinking isn't up to date anymore, that new thinking has superceded those new articles?

even though we know that the overall thinking is the same.

bennyk

They do blame God for their errors:

Stirring up increasing interest in them, Jehovah caused to be preached from 1918 onward the startling public message “Millions Now Living Will Never Die,” and in 1923 he provided the interpretation of “the parable of the sheep and the goats.”

-- Watchtower 15. Nov. 1955, p. 698 § 36 “Millions Now Living Will Never Die” was a false prophecy regarding 1925. The interpretation published by the Society prior to October 1995 stated that the "sheep and goats" were being judged already, since 1918. (Salvation, p. 344; contrast Watchtower 15. Oct. 1995, p. 27 § 21)

As Jehovah revealed his truths by means of the first-century Christian congregation so he does today by means of the present-day Christian congregation. Through this agency he is having carried out prophesying on an intensified and unparalleled scale. All this activity is not an accident. Jehovah is the one behind all of it.

-- Watchtower 15. June 1964, p. 365 § 22

Jehovah is here blamed for all the Society's false prophecies and erroneous teachings.

From a purely human viewpoint, it could appear that these developments could hardly take place before the generation of 1914 disappears from the scene. But fulfillment of all the foretold events affecting the generation of 1914 does not depend on comparatively slow human action. Jehovah’s prophetic word through Christ Jesus is: “This generation [of 1914] will by no means pass away until all things occur.” (Luke 21:32) And Jehovah, who is the source of inspired and unfailing prophecy, will bring about the fulfillment of his Son’s words in a relatively short time.

-- Watchtower 15. May 1984, pp. 6,7 [brackets in original] Here the Society attributes their own false prophecy to Almighty God.

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