2 Cor. 12:7b-9
I would suggest that verse 9 indicates that the "Lord" to whom Paul addressed his prayer was "Christ".
bennyk
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Who did Paul pray to:
by fulltimestudent ini recently bought geza vermes new book, christian beginnings-from nazareth to nicaea, ad 30-325, i thought it may useful for a study unit i want to take next year, on the topic of early christian writings.
these documents, such as the shepherd of hermas, help us to appreciate what early christians really believed and also provide details of their behaviour(s).. vermes*, as well as being extremely knowledgeable on the subject of the dead sea scrolls, is regarded scholastically, as one of the world's leading jesus scholars.. so to the point of this thread: on page 106 of my hardcover, allen lane/penguin, 2012 edition of this book, vermes commences analysing the status of christ in the pauline religion, and under that sub-heading he concludes that in (authentic) pauline theology, the son always occupies an inferior position, and draws on paul's writings to support his position.
on pages 111,112 he lists texts to demonstrate that paul directed his prayers to god alone, and "never to jesus!
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In Jehovah's Witnesses- Elders Have Rights- other JW's Don't- 10/15 WT
by flipper inin the 10/15 watchtower study edition on pg.
12 is the article " what kind of spirit do you show ?
" right away this article starts drawing the line of demarcation in the sand between who has the right to make decisions within jehovah's witnesses and who does not have the right to do so.
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bennyk
" Because of what THEY perceive as defects in elders, some individuals who engage in serious wrongdoing in the congregation have refused to appear before a committee of elders assigned to help them. This could be likened to a patient who loses out on the benefits of a treatment because he does not like something about the doctors. "
"Because of what THEY perceive as hypocrisy and mind-control in local Elders, some who now reject the false teachings of the Watch Tower Society have refused to dignify a star-chamber kangaroo court with their presence. This could be likened to a victim who loses out on the benefits of a gunshot to the head because he does not like something about the murderers." [character assassins]
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If An Elder Wanted To Talk I Would Ask Him How They Could've Taught Untruths Yet Once Again Regarding "The Slave"!
by minimus ini wonder how they would answer me.. their history of being accurate is an embarrassment to jehovah!.
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bennyk
I would ask how it is that the "Faithful and Discreet Slave" has received no adverse Judgement despite the "Slave" having "reviled" (1 Cor. 5:11; 6:9,10) the Associated Bible Students as the "Evil Slave" all the 93 years of its (F&DS) appointment. Also, why people who have only been appointed to provide spiritual food and have not been appointed over the Lord's belongings feel free to judge others before the "due time". (1 Cor. 4:5)
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2012 Annual Meeting: MORE notes...
by Ultimate Reality infrom a reliable source...provides further confirmation on the gb's new status.
these are from the symposium part on the new light.. .
jeoff jackson - how is spiritual food prepared?.
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bennyk
From the notes:
Blessed arrangement, till death of apostles who acted as a 'restraint'. Then apostasy flourished. During that time, no consistent channel existed. Only changed after 1914 when the 'growing season' ended.
So, evidently, when Jesus stated: "I am with YOU all the days until the conclusion of the system of things" (Matt. 28,20), he really meant --
'YOU're on your own until I return to appoint someone to feed YOU in my absence during my presence.' (?)
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What Made You Question "The Truth"?
by minimus inin the the early 1970's, i used to enjoy going to assemblies, conventions and hear special talks given by bethel heavies.. in those days, we were believers and we applied ourselves as "ministers" with pride.. once the "end" was obviously not within our "generation", many of us started losing interest.. we started to think more critically.
it took a long time but once you start recognizing the bullsh*t, it's hard to stay in and truly believe at the same time.. .
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bennyk
There were a number of Watchtower doctrines I had rejected over the years. But that wasn't enough.
One day I realized I really didn't want my children or my non-Witness friends to be(come) Witnesses.
And then I wondered why that was...
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I may have just awaken my mom, so strongly she is throwing up....
by EndofMysteries ini have no idea what is going to happen but they had been shunning me and i called to tell her what i see in the scriptures about the faithful slave.
all of it up to the very end she said okay what's the point, the scripture at the very end is what triggered it.
but read it all in order.
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bennyk
(Recycled old post [23. Oct. 2006]:)
W 01. April 1986 QfR:
Do we have Scriptural precedent for taking such a strict position? Indeed we do! Paul wrote about some in his day: "Their word will spread like gangrene. Hymenaeus and Philetus are of that number. These very men have deviated from the truth, saying that the resurrection has already occurred; and they are subverting the faith of some." (2 Timothy 2:17, 18; see also Matthew 18:6.) There is nothing to indicate that these men did not believe in God, in the Bible, in Jesus’ sacrifice. Yet, on this one basic point, what they were teaching as to the time of the resurrection, Paul rightly branded them as apostates, with whom faithful Christians would not fellowship.
This is most fascinating. When the F&DS was supposedly appointed in 1919, the Watch Tower Society was still teaching that the Resurrection had begun in 1878 -- a teaching not altered until 1927 -- and which teaching the WTS now rejects as false. Does it not bugger the imagination to believe the Lord appointed over all his belongings an organisation that (by its own published standard) would be 'rightly branded apostate, with whom faithful Christians would not fellowship'?
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For Recovery: A discussion about the Great Crowd and the Other Sheep
by Londo111 inrecovery,.
as requested, a discussion on the great crowd and the identity of the other sheep.. .
first question: where are the great crowd rendering sacred service day and night?.
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bennyk
First question: Where are the Great Crowd rendering sacred service day and night? The "Great Crowd" is in the naos ( en tw naw ) according to Rev. 7:15.
The naos itself is specifically stated to be in Heaven in Rev. 11:19; 14:17; and 15:5. Ergo, the "Great Crowd" serves in Heaven.
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Blondie's Comments You Will Not Hear at the 08-19-2012 WT Review (SERVICE)
by blondie ingods servants = only jws.
with the people of god rather.
dedicated servants of jehovah only jws.
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bennyk
The end of the present system of things is imminent.
Don't buy green bananas!!!!!!!!
(Thanks, Blondie.)
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Crisis of Conscience, Apostacy and the Antichrist
by konceptual99 ini've just finished reading coc and it's truely a thought provoking book that's given me much to think about.. one thing that has struck me is the way rf was disfellowshipped and how he tried to reason with the elders on the jc.
a key point of reasoning was that how the elders could define the disassocated one he ate with as "the antichrist" or one practicing the things described in 1 cor 9. apparently the elders either remain silent on the matter or said it was not for them to judge.. i thought the reasoning was really sound but i have been doing some checking on the definition of apostacy and the antichrist according to the society and it seems pretty clear to me that anyone guilt of apostacy becomes part of the antichrist.
characteristics of apostacy as defined in the it-1 book are described as follows:.
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bennyk
Yet, when the shoe is on the other foot...
The Watch Tower Society also other things to say about "antichrists". When defending the Organisation against the accusations of the Greek Orthodox Church the Watchtower stated: "What does the Bible say of 'antichrist'? At 1 John 2:22 it states: 'Who is the liar if it is not the one that denies that Jesus is the Christ? This is the antichrist, the one that denies the Father and the Son.' Thus, the plain fact of God's inspired Word is that an antichrist does not accept Jesus. But Jehovah's Witnesses do! ... So anyone who says that Jehovah's Witnesses are 'antichrist' either is badly misinformed, is blinded by prejudice, or has evil motive." (Watchtower, 01. December 1986, pp.5-6)
Clearly, the Watch Tower Society likes having it both ways...
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Candace Conti v. Watchtower Society - Closing Argument by WTBTS Attorney
by jwleaks injane doe v. watchtower bible and tract society of new york, inc.. .
jury trial - june 14, 2012 - day 10. .
mr. schnack: ladies and gentlemen of the jury, the judge has instructed you that it is your choice to award or not to award punitive damages.
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bennyk
The Jehovah's Witnesses Church is not the Catholic Church, that it has had verdict after verdict after verdict over the years. It's been in the press. We are all aware of it.
Yes, you were very aware of it. You admit it. And your knowledge of it makes you more culpable, not less. You knew full well the implications of doing nothing whatsoever to protect the children from these predators. But you chose to do nothing.
You disgust me.