Posts by bennyk

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Carl Sagan quote about WTBTS saying " They announced that the world had in fact ended in 1914,"

by notjustyet in

i wanted to find out where carl sagan got this info from.. i know they, the wtbts thought that the end would be in 1914, then 1915 but do not remember reading where they made the statement that it did end.. .

thanks, njy.

here is his quote:.

bennyk

Surely the words of the Master are now in course of fulfillment: "This gospel ["The World Has Ended: Millions Now Living Will Never Die"] shall be preached in all the world for a witness, and then shall the end come". The Master’s inspiring words thrill the heart of the Christian and spur him on with greater zeal to give the witness now. We urge the dear brethren everywhere, everyone who is qualified, according to the Lord’s arrangement, for speaking to the public, to use for all public addresses the subject: "Millions Now Living Will Never Die". It is the message that we want to get to the people. It is the message of the hour. It is the message that must go to all Christendom as a witness before the final end of the present order.

(WT 15. Oct. 1920, p.310 bracketed material in original)

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Watchtower Birthday Logic

by enigma1863 in

the watchtower bases their opposition to birthdays by two scriptures, saying something bad happened and god must have put it in there for a reason.

following their logic are there any other things jws shouldnt do because bad things happened in a couple of scriptures?.

bennyk

(Recycled old post [29.04.2005])

If the celebration of birthdays is wrong BECAUSE in the scriptural accounts ONE person died at each of two such celebrations, would it not be forbidden to give (wedding) presents???

(1 Kings 9:16NWT: "(Pharaoh the king of Egypt himself had come up and then captured Ge'zer and burned it with fire, and the Ca'naanites dwelling in the city he had killed. So he gave it as a parting gift to his daughter, the wife of Solomon.)")

"New Light"!!!

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WTBS publication only TTATT packet

by Comatose in

after reading raymond franz's book crisis of conscience, it occurred to me how valuable a packet of only wt publications containing the truth about the truth would be.

many we want to reach of our loved ones would never believe something online or in a book.

but if you could order or download a packet made just of wt publications, you could reach them maybe.

bennyk

In one of my meetings with the Elders, two of them asked me how they could be sure I hadn't altered one of the books I'd shown them.

In virtual disbelief I said: "Because it's your book; you watched me walk over to your bookshelves and remove it..."

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144,000 before 1935?

by nolongerconfused in

i've always thought about this but have never received an answer on how the wbts explaiend the phenomenon.... to my understanding, every member of the wbts had the heavenly hope...however, by 2 classes were created...the heavenly, and earthly hope.... does anyone know the number of jw's as of that famous assembly of 1935 where the earthly hope was revealed and imposed?.

what is the wbts explanation for the thousands of jw's who had heavenly hope now all of a sudden have the earthly hope?.

this leads me to one conclusion...how dare this or any other organization determine what your hope or believe should be...shame on them.

bennyk

The Watch Tower Society taught until 1935 that the "Great Crowd" was a second class of Christians with a heavenly hope.

The 144 000 were the Bride-class, the Great Multitude (Crowd) an attendant class ('Brides-maids').

The increasing numbers of Bible Students affiliated with the Watch Tower Society did not force the change in doctrine. The teaching allowed for large numbers of heaven-bound Christians. The Watch Tower Society taught the following in the 1917 publication The Finished Mystery on page 103:

FM103
Was ten thousand times ten thousand, and
thousands of thousands

.— The number of the
Great Company will apparently exceed one
hundred millions. Num. 4:46-48 and Ex. 28:1
indicate but one priest to each 2,860 Levites,
which would make the number of the Great
Company approximate 411,840,000.— T118,
119; Dan. 7:10. 5:12

Currently, belief that more than 144 000 will receive a heavenly reward will result in Disfellowshipping. (w 01. April 1986 QfR)

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14 months after printing the "Steve and Selma" article, guess what the Society's latest Awake is about...

by cedars in

you guessed it.... .

http://www.jw.org/download/?fileformat=pdf&issue=201304&output=html&pub=g&langwritten=e&option=trgchlzrqvnyvrxf&txtcmslang=e.

cedars.

bennyk

It sounds to me as though the Witnesses are in an abusive relationship:

(One only needs to alter a few words...)

Why do some Witnesses choose to remain with a soul-destroying cult? A common reason is that they fear things will get worse if they leave. The Watch Tower Society has threatened that God will harm or even kill them and their minor children if they tried to escape. Others have hesitated to leave because they fear that their friends and relatives would turn against them. For example, Isabel, whose experience is referred to at the outset of this article, left her religion. She states:"The entire congregation shunned me, and I was forced to move away with my children.”

Still other reasons why some disgruntled Witnesses choose to stay are:

They want their children to grow up with both parents, fearing the "faithful" mate will divorce them.
They worry about being able to support themselves and their children if they lose their Witness-related employment.
They erroneously believe that they are "murmurers".
They are ashamed to admit that they have been and are being spiritually abused.
They hope the situation will improve.

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A treacherous heart might decieve a Christian making him unable to see that his family is actually, Moloch.

by Theocratic Sedition in

jw
friends

from this week's congregation bible study, the first 8 paragraphs of chapter 4 in the jeremiah book.

page 44 as follows.. in our case, we certainly do not think of ourselves as worshippers of idol gods.

however, under the heading of "god", one dictionary says: a person or thing of supreme value.

bennyk

“However easily one might start to minimize the wise, balanced advice from the faithful and discreet slave class about additional education and start to miss meetings!”

I wonder: Would this "wise, balanced advice" be from the "Faithful and Discreet Slave" when it was the entire faithful remnant of Anointed Christians worldwide, or is it only from the responsible Members of the Governing Body when serving as a group?

"Hence , how might we be misled?"

Well, I suppose we could take the screeds of the so-called "Faithful and Discreet Slave" seriously...

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Archive Of DO & CO Talks

by theopug in

found this site: http://www.centralprint.net/jwtalks/covisits/docovisits.html.

large collection of do and co talks.

.

bennyk

Huh...

I wonder why Charles Sinutko's talk "Serving With Everlasting Life in View" seems to be missing...

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Any Elders comments on latest idea about Sisters

by truthlover in

jw
friends

just finished our 2 day and one of the talks by the do indicated that single sisters in the congregation are to be subservient to all male brothers in the hall..as well a widow too is of the same "status".

is this a new thought or just now an open secret?.

personally, i dont think that is good - after all there are many elders who although, supposedly appointed by hs, can be personally involved with porn behind closed doors or nasty with his wife and family.. i personally know of two like that .... why should i listen to a "stranger" about my life?

bennyk

According to the Watch Tower Society, Sisters are not "subservient to all male brothers in the hall":

"Single Sisters, not having a human head to consult with and confide in, may be apt to 'throw their burdens upon Jehovah." (Watchtower, 15. October 1996, p.13, paragraph 19)

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Shunning supported by 2 Jo 9-10

by Splash in

(2 john 9,10) 9 everyone that pushes ahead and does not remain in the teaching of the christ does not have god.

he that does remain in this teaching is the one that has both the father and the son.

10 if anyone comes to you and does not bring this teaching, never receive him into your homes or say a greeting to him.. .

bennyk

You need to consider the context.

Verse seven indicates that the writer has in mind persons "not confessing Jesus Christ as coming in the flesh. This is the deceiver and the anti-christ."

The verse emphatically does not require the shunning of individuals who reject the unscriptural teachings of the Watch Tower Society. Indeed, it may be necessary to reject the Society's doctrines in order to "remain in the teaching of the Christ."

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January 2013 Watchtower - HAVE JEHOVAHS WITNESSES GIVEN INCORRECT DATES FOR THE END?

by TheStumbler in

i was just on the new jw.org site and i have to say, they've done a good job.

it looks pretty sleek and is easy to navigate.

the production values of their magazines (in particular the photos) seems to have improved since i last spent much time on the site.

bennyk

Why, then, do we continue to highlight the nearness of the end? Because we take seriously Jesus’ words: “Keep looking, keep awake.” The alternative, to be found “sleeping” by Jesus, would prevent us from gaining his favor. (The Watchtower, 01.01.2012, p.8)

Jesus said: "Keep looking, keep awake." He did not say: 'Continue prophesying falsely' as though that were the only alternative to "sleeping"(!)

Furthermore, because of their erroneous beliefs, in 1914 the affiliates of the Watch Tower Society were the only Body of believers who did not "keep looking" for the Parousia to begin. (They believed it had already begun in 1874).