organization?.
organization!
organization.
The book Jehovah’s Witnesses—Proclaimers of God’s Kingdom and other publications or DVDs available in your language provide intriguing insight into the organization.
The pre-1914 volumes of Studies in the Scriptures, The Finished Mystery, Millions Now Living Will Never Die!, The Harp of God, and virtually any Watchtower prior to 1950 will really 'provide intriguing insight into the Organisation.'
(Let the reader use discernment...)
i received the folowing comment in oone of my videos from batmatrixreality7 .
the ministry of love.
dear delusional vast apostate army!!
All who cut loose from the Watch Tower Bible and Tract Society and its work, instead of prospering themselves or up-building others in the faith and in the graces of the spirit, seemingly do the reverse-attempt injury to the Cause they once served, and, with more or less noise, gradually sink into oblivion, harming only themselves and others possessed of a similarly contentious spirit. . . . If some think that they can get as good or better provender at other tables, or that they can produce as good or better themselves-let these take their course. . . . But while we are willing that others should go anywhere and everywhere to find food and light to their satisfaction, strange to say, those who become our opponents take a very different course. Instead of saying in the manly fashion of the world, 'I have found something which I prefer; goodbye!' these manifest anger, malice, hatred, strife, 'works of the flesh and of the devil' such as we have never known worldly people to exhibit. They seem inoculated with madness, Satanic hydrophobia [rabies]. Some of them smite us and then claim that we did the smiting. They are ready to say and write contemptible falsities and to stoop to do meanness."
These words were written by Russell and can be found in the Watchtower Reprints from September and/or October 1909. The tale of irony is that Russell was countering opponents of his views -- views which are no longer taught by the Society, and which views, if now held by a Witness, would be grounds for disfellowshipping...
doesn't this letter blame the elders for fueling the wrong expectations about 1975?
(dutch translators please verify!
).here is the dutch letter translation we received..---------------------------------------------------------------"could it be that the unfulfilled expectations around the year 1975 still play you tricks?
Thanks for posting this.
The translation is correct.
The statement "Everything in the world we see that by God's spirit recorded prophecies are true" is awkward. Better: 'By everything in the world we see that the recorded prophecies inspired by God's spirit are true.'
And in the paragraph following [the translated excerpt], the Society begins by suggesting that one may have lost joy in the Service because of complaints toward the Brothers and Sisters... [they do not consider the possibility that one may have become disillusioned with the Society and no longer wish to spread the Society's message] They encourage further zealous field service by stating: " Don't allow anything to hold you back from remaining a joyful preacher of the Kingdom of Heaven. With the Prize so close, we cannot and may not take the chance."
(Nearly forty years after 1975, this sounds a bit ridiculous.)
the present gb/fds claim a kind of apostolic succession going back to the now claimed first appearance of the fds in 1919.. i don't think anywhere is it made clear who made up the fds then, but let us go along with the fiction, (in reality we know only rutherford really ruled the roost) and assume there was a group of guys who were the fds, how did they know they were chosen as such ?.
there obviously is nothing in the wt writings of the time as all this is noo lite, so, if they did not know their heaven appointed role, why would they carry it out, except by accident?
and if so, how could they possibly produce "food at the proper time "?.
They didn't know they were "chosen".
The supposed F&DS of 1919 continued to proclaim that Russell was the "Faithful and Wise Servant" until 1927. In fact, in the 15. December 1922 Watchtower, it is even stated that it was a necessity of the faith to believe that Russell served as such.
i have had some "friendly" conversations with people on my coninuing fade journey.
i realize that isn't always wise, but they are all non-related to each other, and we keep it light.
even my brother got in the mix.
I forgot the name of the experiments...
Stanley Milgram.
An Elder I had once respected and known for a number of years told me that he does not agree with everything the Society teaches. I asked what he does when he studies with someone and discusses a subject on which he and the Society are at odds. He said: "I tell the person what the Society teaches. I am only an individual and could be wrong; but if the Society is wrong, they 'pay the freight'."
I said: "You tell them they must believe something you personally believe is false?!? Don't you feel that bruises your integrity?"
Our relationship rapidly went downhill...
i wanted to find out where carl sagan got this info from.. i know they, the wtbts thought that the end would be in 1914, then 1915 but do not remember reading where they made the statement that it did end.. .
thanks, njy.
here is his quote:.
Therefore it seems that now is the time for the church to proclaim far and wide in Christendom this good news. Hence it is the purpose of the Society to ask every public speaker, all the Pilgrim brethren, all the elders of classes, all who can give a public discourse in every part of Christendom, to prepare a discourse upon the subject: “The World Has Ended~Millions Now Living Will Never Die,” and to herald this message as a witness to Christendom; and it would seem if the church fails to do this, the very stones will cry out.
(WT 01. July 1920, p.200)
Jesus furthermore said: "This gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come". (Matthew 24:14) In the year 1919 many of the Bible Students in different parts of the earth, emerging from army camps and prison dungeons, rejoicing in their privileges, again assembled together and with united action went forth to proclaim the message of the presence of the Lord; and particularly the message, "The World Has Ended—Millions Now Living Will Never Die," clearly in fulfillment of the words of the Master in the text last above quoted. Numbers of public lectures delivered upon this subject throughout Christendom have gladdened the hearts of hundreds of thousands of people, comforting those that mourn. In 1920 this message was put into printed form in the booklet entitled "Millions Now Living Will Never Die", and in the lands where the greatest persecution prevailed against the people of the Lord, greatest has been the witness. (The Harp of God, paragraph 438)
i wanted to find out where carl sagan got this info from.. i know they, the wtbts thought that the end would be in 1914, then 1915 but do not remember reading where they made the statement that it did end.. .
thanks, njy.
here is his quote:.
Surely the words of the Master are now in course of fulfillment: "This gospel ["The World Has Ended: Millions Now Living Will Never Die"] shall be preached in all the world for a witness, and then shall the end come". The Master’s inspiring words thrill the heart of the Christian and spur him on with greater zeal to give the witness now. We urge the dear brethren everywhere, everyone who is qualified, according to the Lord’s arrangement, for speaking to the public, to use for all public addresses the subject: "Millions Now Living Will Never Die". It is the message that we want to get to the people. It is the message of the hour. It is the message that must go to all Christendom as a witness before the final end of the present order.
(WT 15. Oct. 1920, p.310 bracketed material in original)
the watchtower bases their opposition to birthdays by two scriptures, saying something bad happened and god must have put it in there for a reason.
following their logic are there any other things jws shouldnt do because bad things happened in a couple of scriptures?.
(Recycled old post [29.04.2005])
If the celebration of birthdays is wrong BECAUSE in the scriptural accounts ONE person died at each of two such celebrations, would it not be forbidden to give (wedding) presents???
(1 Kings 9:16NWT: "(Pharaoh the king of Egypt himself had come up and then captured Ge'zer and burned it with fire, and the Ca'naanites dwelling in the city he had killed. So he gave it as a parting gift to his daughter, the wife of Solomon.)")
"New Light"!!!
after reading raymond franz's book crisis of conscience, it occurred to me how valuable a packet of only wt publications containing the truth about the truth would be.
many we want to reach of our loved ones would never believe something online or in a book.
but if you could order or download a packet made just of wt publications, you could reach them maybe.
In one of my meetings with the Elders, two of them asked me how they could be sure I hadn't altered one of the books I'd shown them.
In virtual disbelief I said: "Because it's your book; you watched me walk over to your bookshelves and remove it..."
i've always thought about this but have never received an answer on how the wbts explaiend the phenomenon.... to my understanding, every member of the wbts had the heavenly hope...however, by 2 classes were created...the heavenly, and earthly hope.... does anyone know the number of jw's as of that famous assembly of 1935 where the earthly hope was revealed and imposed?.
what is the wbts explanation for the thousands of jw's who had heavenly hope now all of a sudden have the earthly hope?.
this leads me to one conclusion...how dare this or any other organization determine what your hope or believe should be...shame on them.
The Watch Tower Society taught until 1935 that the "Great Crowd" was a second class of Christians with a heavenly hope.
The 144 000 were the Bride-class, the Great Multitude (Crowd) an attendant class ('Brides-maids').
The increasing numbers of Bible Students affiliated with the Watch Tower Society did not force the change in doctrine. The teaching allowed for large numbers of heaven-bound Christians. The Watch Tower Society taught the following in the 1917 publication The Finished Mystery on page 103:
FM103
Was ten thousand times ten thousand, and
thousands of thousands
.— The number of theGreat Company will apparently exceed one
hundred millions. Num. 4:46-48 and Ex. 28:1
indicate but one priest to each 2,860 Levites,
which would make the number of the Great
Company approximate 411,840,000.— T118,
119; Dan. 7:10. 5:12
Currently, belief that more than 144 000 will receive a heavenly reward will result in Disfellowshipping. (w 01. April 1986 QfR)
